103: How to Be Everything by Emilie Wapnick

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1. 00:00:00 All right, so I got a keyboard update for you. Joe B. Lig. I'm excited. I sent you a picture on
2. 00:00:07 Friday night. I think it was
3. 00:00:10 Because what I do for fun on Friday nights is take apart keyboards
4. 00:00:16 So I did keyboard surgery Friday night and my key cron K8 now no longer has Gatoron Browns now has
5. 00:00:28 The drop version of the holy panda switches
6. 00:00:30 which are
7. 00:00:33 Very nice people love those things
8. 00:00:35 like the mechanical world is all about them and love love love love them and
9. 00:00:41 I've never had my sticky fingers on them yet, so I
10. 00:00:46 am anxious
11. 00:00:48 They're pretty cool in fact after I'd switched them out Toby walked in and he heard me typing on it
12. 00:00:55 He's like what'd you do that sounds way better
13. 00:00:58 Like well feels way better too, but sure sure it just sounds more more chunky their tactile, right?
14. 00:01:07 Yep, they're tactile so the Browns were tactile - they don't have that actual click
15. 00:01:12 But you still have the feeling of kind of a clicky switch right without all the noise
16. 00:01:18 I've got keycaps coming
17. 00:01:21 Actually two sets of keycaps coming what like
18. 00:01:25 like well keycaps are
19. 00:01:28 They are keycap keycaps are a whole nother world. Yeah, they are and they I don't understand this world at all
20. 00:01:36 I've been trying to do research because if you want to buy keycaps you have to get in on these group eyes and then
21. 00:01:42 like
22. 00:01:44 40 days later the group by goes through and then like a year later you get your switches is generally how it goes or you buy
23. 00:01:50 cheap stuff off of Amazon
24. 00:01:52 which I
25. 00:01:54 Am a little bit nervous about I'm sure you can find decent stuff there, but what I wanted are
26. 00:01:59 thick
27. 00:02:01 PBT style switches or I'm sorry keycaps the ones that come with the keychron are ABS and so they feel just
28. 00:02:08 They just don't quite feel right and since I got nice switches underneath them now
29. 00:02:13 I really want some nice PBT keycaps. Yeah
30. 00:02:16 keychron actually makes a PBT set for the K2, but it is out of stock and
31. 00:02:21 I so I've been looking high and low for for a good set of keycaps for less than
32. 00:02:28 $150 that are available now
33. 00:02:32 Yes, yes, because that's how this goes. Yeah world of custom keycaps like you're just gonna spend money on them
34. 00:02:41 Yeah, so I was watching Mike Hurley stream his
35. 00:02:46 keyboard
36. 00:02:48 Breakdown all of his different stuff that he's got sure and he's got these keycaps with these
37. 00:02:53 I think they're Japanese legends on them which are from a company called Melgeek
38. 00:02:59 Okay, and I came across that set of keycaps in my my research. I'm like hey these look familiar
39. 00:03:06 And then asked Mike that he's the ones you got he said yeah
40. 00:03:09 They have another set called the big bone I believe which look like they're not quite so pointed at the top
41. 00:03:18 They're kind of like flat, but they're also are sculpted
42. 00:03:21 So it's not like banging on a piece of glass sure and they were really reasonable. They're coming from China
43. 00:03:27 I think but they were like 60 bucks. They are now in the US. So hopefully they will be
44. 00:03:31 to me shortly
45. 00:03:34 All right, you should try hunting down custom keycaps through a Devorak layout
46. 00:03:39 Oh, yeah, I know because the water like the group eyes will have some of them will have Devorak layouts
47. 00:03:45 Oh most of them will not most of them also will not have Mac
48. 00:03:49 Legends so the command keys for example
49. 00:03:52 So this Melgeek set actually has a Mac kit, but that part was sold out
50. 00:03:58 So I don't have that I just have the those keycaps coming true
51. 00:04:02 Then I saw another one which looked really intriguing the it's an it's an essay profile
52. 00:04:07 So like really high and really sculpted
53. 00:04:09 Looks like little recliners for your fingers. You look at it from the side
54. 00:04:14 And there's a set called the essay
55. 00:04:18 Granite from the Kono store, which is one of the the places I found like that's one of the places that you get good keycaps from
56. 00:04:25 Sure, and that one was on sale
57. 00:04:27 It was a group by that I guess they had some production issues and so a bunch of people that canceled their orders or something
58. 00:04:32 I don't know, but they had some available and there's moving on the project
59. 00:04:36 Now finally so I have a set of those coming as well. Oh
60. 00:04:40 Mike like yeah in the world of Devorak like trying to locate these things is
61. 00:04:47 Almost impossible. I shouldn't say that but like you can get these rehoming keys
62. 00:04:53 sometimes and it depends on like the the keyboard I use as a DOS keyboard and
63. 00:05:01 The height of each of the keys front to back for each row is different
64. 00:05:06 So you can't just move the keys around to get the different layout you have to get it custom printed for that layout
65. 00:05:13 Exactly to make it work unless you got like a DSA set or something right where it's all flat
66. 00:05:18 Yeah, yeah, unless you get some where they're all the same
67. 00:05:22 Which isn't that many
68. 00:05:24 Because usually they have a profile on them to some degree so
69. 00:05:29 most of the time that doesn't work but
70. 00:05:31 Sometimes they'll send you like you can get these add-on kits that will have
71. 00:05:37 The keys that need to move only exactly they'll get those sometimes but
72. 00:05:44 You're always gonna spend a little bit more the last time I located a set of key caps that I would actually use
73. 00:05:51 On a keyboard it was gonna cost me like a hundred and forty dollars just to get the key caps
74. 00:05:56 That I needed so I have not been down that road
75. 00:06:00 I'm also the other problem is I love full-size keyboards like people love these
76. 00:06:04 65% or the ten keyless keyboards like I use that number pad all the time
77. 00:06:09 So it's just weird to me that people don't want that it's gonna be a deal breaker for sure
78. 00:06:15 That's hard like it gets very difficult to locate things for that but
79. 00:06:20 the other thing too is like I have debated from time to time just doing the
80. 00:06:25 Quarty keyboards and then
81. 00:06:28 Putting stickers on top of them, which is what I do for my MacBook Pro
82. 00:06:32 Because it like can't swap those keys around without destroying them so I
83. 00:06:37 Do that so I've debated doing that on a mechanical keyboard, but
84. 00:06:41 That's strange to put stickers on a keyboard with nice key caps that is
85. 00:06:47 It's a bridge too far. Maybe thanks
86. 00:06:50 It is it seems strange
87. 00:06:52 So yes, if I were to try to get like if I were to try to get an aluminum
88. 00:06:56 keyboard
89. 00:06:58 With like holy pandas with the Dvorak layout. I cannot get it done for less than about four hundred and fifty dollars
90. 00:07:04 Jeez, I can't get it done. So not that I've been able to locate
91. 00:07:08 It's a mess
92. 00:07:12 Problem with going to vorac
93. 00:07:14 Yeah, I posted the the links to the the two sets in the chat for people who want to take a look at these
94. 00:07:22 But I guess I'm all in on this rabbit hole now
95. 00:07:25 I'm trying to limit it to just this keyboard and I think I can do that
96. 00:07:29 Yeah, right because this is how it starts Mike. Yeah, well, I'm gonna buy one fountain pin for this one
97. 00:07:37 You know, yeah, maybe you have no, but I do like to have the same tools available to me
98. 00:07:43 Everywhere, and I view my keyboard as a tool. It's like it feels like home
99. 00:07:50 It's kind of like an a lesser level like using a different Mac would drive me crazy because everything's not exactly
100. 00:07:57 Where I want it right?
101. 00:07:59 That's kind of how I am with this keyboard at the moment
102. 00:08:01 And I like the fact that I can use the same keyboard and it feels exactly the same
103. 00:08:06 Whether I'm writing in Ulysses on my Mac or writing in Ulysses on my iPad sure and I got this iPad stand that like that's kind of my
104. 00:08:14 Upstairs when I want to get out of my office working setup now
105. 00:08:18 And the Mac just pretty much stays plugged in in the office all the time. Yeah, since I don't really go anywhere
106. 00:08:26 I will say like I type on the MacBook Pro itself a decent amount
107. 00:08:32 Away from my mechanical
108. 00:08:35 So I'm grateful that they changed the changed off of the butterfly nightmare. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I'm grateful that they did that
109. 00:08:43 But it's one of those things that once you go
110. 00:08:48 Like I feel like once people go to a mechanical
111. 00:08:51 It seems rare that they come back. Yep, I agree. So there's something to that. I
112. 00:08:57 Know that some people love the clicky
113. 00:09:01 versions
114. 00:09:03 Like the if you know them like the blue and the green
115. 00:09:05 MX brown or MX Cheery MX switches
116. 00:09:09 So some people love those to me. They're just obnoxious
117. 00:09:14 But the liniers are strange because there is no bump and you bought them out on them all the time
118. 00:09:19 So it's just strange. So yeah, I tend to go for the tactiles, which I think you tend to as well
119. 00:09:24 That's pretty common for people. So if you want to get started in mechanical keyboards I
120. 00:09:29 Suggest going with brown versions of just about anything because those are the tactiles. Yep, but enough about keyboards
121. 00:09:37 Similar to fountain pens we can just go and go and go and go. It's true
122. 00:09:42 I have one other announcement that I have to make and that is that as this episode airs
123. 00:09:50 There will be a new course that I have helped create for this sweet setup called calm inbox
124. 00:09:57 It is a pretty ambitious course basically what we did is we took the
125. 00:10:02 The perspective and the approach like the productivity type stuff
126. 00:10:05 That's modules one two and three like all the mindset stuff on how to handle just about any email message
127. 00:10:11 I could land in your inbox and then we have a section called the vault where we created screencast videos
128. 00:10:18 So there is altogether
129. 00:10:21 52 different videos in this course, I believe and
130. 00:10:25 It's it's a lot
131. 00:10:29 so like in the actual modules will explain stuff like setting up email rules which if
132. 00:10:35 You have been around email for a while. Maybe that part seems pretty basic
133. 00:10:39 But if you're coming new to it like that's kind of revolutionary
134. 00:10:42 We talked through like our approach to
135. 00:10:44 mobile email and triaging custom swipe gestures and stuff and then the vault we walked through how to
136. 00:10:51 Set up custom swipe gestures and like all the different popular email clients
137. 00:10:55 so it's
138. 00:10:57 They support each other, but they're they're separate
139. 00:11:00 So like one side is all like the technical here's how you do the things and then the other part is like talking head type videos
140. 00:11:06 where we walk through all the the process and the system and
141. 00:11:09 The big takeaway from a lot of this stuff
142. 00:11:12 That's kind of revolutionary for some people is the belief that every email that lands in your inbox
143. 00:11:17 you don't have an obligation to do something with it and
144. 00:11:20 So we try to teach in the course like the mindsets that go behind that, you know
145. 00:11:25 I've said
146. 00:11:26 Over and over again that emails are to do listed other people can write on and so
147. 00:11:30 Once you make that switch and that's where a lot like the talking head videos come in is like kind of explaining
148. 00:11:36 How you can get to that point because if you work in a corporation for example
149. 00:11:40 Maybe you have an email culture where you feels like you can't push back against that kind of stuff
150. 00:11:44 But ultimately that's the thing you have to do in order to start creating some common here inboxes
151. 00:11:49 You got to change the rules
152. 00:11:51 If you just go with the defaults you're gonna be stressed out and overwhelmed all the time because you're just gonna keep getting more email
153. 00:11:59 Did you talk about the hay service in this we do yep, okay?
154. 00:12:03 Because I'm I'm conflicted about hay
155. 00:12:06 In that like I love what they're doing from like you have these different areas and we're gonna help you process it into those
156. 00:12:14 I think that makes a lot of sense. I
157. 00:12:16 Don't work that way
158. 00:12:18 So like I personally struggle with it
159. 00:12:21 I know that it works for some but I think it works well for people who don't think this way
160. 00:12:25 So I think there is some of that so I'm very curious to see how this I need to go through this mic
161. 00:12:29 Because I'm curious how you guys cover some of this yeah feedback has been pretty great so far from like the
162. 00:12:35 Beta testers that have gone through some of the stuff
163. 00:12:38 I'm excited as we're recording this it's launching tomorrow
164. 00:12:42 So I'm always a little bit nervous prior to the launch
165. 00:12:47 but it's gonna be fun and
166. 00:12:49 Like all the courses at the suite set up the first week when it's launched there's a 20% discount
167. 00:12:56 I did actually set up an additional coupon with for focused which we can use for for this podcast too
168. 00:13:04 So if you go to the suite setup comm slash focused
169. 00:13:08 Then that will get you an additional 10% off of whatever the price happens to be when you go there
170. 00:13:14 So if you get this in the first week 20% discount so normally $9.99 now $79 that 10% will be taken off of the $79 price
171. 00:13:22 If you go later, you can still get a discount even after the the launch window
172. 00:13:26 So cool cool put a link to that in the show notes for people who want to check it out sweet
173. 00:13:32 It's been a labor of love I've been working on this for several months
174. 00:13:36 kind of along with this was a
175. 00:13:39 Review I post I posted of the the best iOS email app on the suite setup
176. 00:13:45 Which I mean you want to get people angry pick one email app to recommend
177. 00:13:49 Yes, yes, absolutely 100%
178. 00:13:55 so
179. 00:13:56 Did that we also created like this email quiz which has a lot of technical wizardry behind it
180. 00:14:02 Big shout out to Isaac Smith for helping me get all of that setup
181. 00:14:06 But it's good
182. 00:14:07 It's pretty cool
183. 00:14:08 You basically go through and I have this whole big like flow chart I created in keynote of like the different breaking points for how I would advise people
184. 00:14:15 Like this you should use check out this app and so it's this complicated chart that goes all over the place
185. 00:14:21 And then in the end you answer five or six questions and it gives you a recommended result in a couple reasons
186. 00:14:26 Why and then if you want a sample video from the course you fill out the form and you get one via email?
187. 00:14:33 that was a lot of fun to make and it's been really cool to see the response to to that and
188. 00:14:38 I was worried about that too when I launched it. I'm like we put so much work into that thing
189. 00:14:44 I if no one likes it like it's a complete waste of time
190. 00:14:48 Which ultimately at the end it recommends a email app and that's kind of the big takeaway like you don't have to fill out the form to get the video
191. 00:14:55 We're not hiding anything behind there. It's like if you want the video
192. 00:14:57 You can you can get it but you can get really the value of the result of the quiz without having to give us anything
193. 00:15:03 Which I thought was sure was kind of cool. Those quizzes are always interesting too
194. 00:15:07 It's it's very difficult to get all the steps and the results
195. 00:15:11 Well exactly. It's not just a quiz. It's not like you answer the question you get points based on what answer you pick
196. 00:15:17 It's literally a giant logic tree. Yeah, it's a bowl of spaghetti that leads you to the right email client finally and every time you add a question
197. 00:15:26 It doubles the logic results. Yes. Yes. So one of the one of the answers is like spark plus same box
198. 00:15:34 Yeah, there's a separate separate answer for just spark
199. 00:15:37 There's another answer for spark plus teams and then there's also like air mail and hay and apple mail all the type of stuff
200. 00:15:44 But just taking like spark plus same box. There's ten different ways in the logic tree to get to that response
201. 00:15:50 And there's ten different responses. So you can kind of get an idea for how big this thing is
202. 00:15:55 Enormous. Yeah, it is enormous
203. 00:15:59 Yep
204. 00:16:01 So link in the show notes the quiz is actually in the iOS email app article if you want to check that out
205. 00:16:05 But that's all related to common box as a long way of saying that this has kind of been my work life for the last several months
206. 00:16:13 And I'm really excited to share it with everybody cool. Fun times. You got another point of follow-up here though
207. 00:16:19 I do finally getting to
208. 00:16:21 follow-up for action items and this one I failed at
209. 00:16:24 My action item from the last episode was to find someone radically different and befriend them
210. 00:16:30 I made the distinction that I wanted it to be somebody new I
211. 00:16:35 really haven't
212. 00:16:39 Gone anywhere to find somebody new to befriend and I've been so
213. 00:16:43 Heads down on this
214. 00:16:46 Product is you know launches are always crazy
215. 00:16:48 This one is has actually gone really well in terms of the production and everything but still
216. 00:16:52 Tiding up everything at the end is always always stuff to do
217. 00:16:57 So when we recorded last I estimated that I would have a little bit more margin than I I did the last couple weeks
218. 00:17:06 So this is this is an epic fail. I made an effort to reach out to somebody
219. 00:17:11 But they reached out to me first. So that doesn't even count. I don't think no does not
220. 00:17:16 I'm not gonna give you that one. No, I'm not asking for it. I'm admitting I didn't I didn't do this
221. 00:17:22 so I
222. 00:17:24 Do think there's a value in this and I do want to continue to do this but I was more I think about this too
223. 00:17:31 It's not an action item where it's like I'm okay. I'm done with that and now
224. 00:17:35 like I'm good. This is something that I'd like to
225. 00:17:38 influence my
226. 00:17:41 perspective going forward
227. 00:17:43 So hopefully I find many more people who are radically different and befriend them cool cool
228. 00:17:50 I hope it goes well for you. Thank you. I feel like I have a lot of friends that I do not agree with so
229. 00:17:55 I'm not gonna continue to seek out more of those
230. 00:17:59 I love you all but fair enough no
231. 00:18:05 All right, then we should probably jump into today's book which is how to be everything by Emily Wopnick
232. 00:18:12 This is a book about
233. 00:18:14 being a
234. 00:18:16 multi-potential light which we will unpack here in a moment. I first heard about this book from Jay Miller and
235. 00:18:24 It was not quite what I expected in both a good way and a bad way
236. 00:18:33 The first part of the book I
237. 00:18:35 Really got more out of it than I thought I was going to the last part of the book
238. 00:18:40 I was kind of disappointed by and we'll jump into those different sections as we go here
239. 00:18:44 But the format of the book is that there are three sections as you do what?
240. 00:18:50 Really when did that happen? Yeah, so part one is everything with the question mark
241. 00:18:57 part two is the four
242. 00:19:00 potential at work models
243. 00:19:02 Part three is the common multi-potential light stumbling blocks and then just kind of like a final word for the
244. 00:19:09 conclusion which I added to the outline because I do think there's a really strong ending to this book so
245. 00:19:15 Ten different chapters. I believe we're not going to go through each chapter
246. 00:19:22 I kind of pulled out some of the main ideas from these different sections
247. 00:19:27 And I think we'll tackle these part by part. Okay, so the first part number one
248. 00:19:33 everything
249. 00:19:35 The first thing we need to do here is define what is a
250. 00:19:40 multi-potential light
251. 00:19:43 You want to take a crack at describing it in your own words before I share the formal definition? Sure because
252. 00:19:48 The way to think about it is a potential light
253. 00:19:52 would be someone who sees an endeavor
254. 00:19:56 And you can see the potential of that endeavor to become something bigger so
255. 00:20:02 You know if you if you want to explore that from a
256. 00:20:06 practical stance a multi potential light would be someone who sees the potential for a blog to be something that they love to do
257. 00:20:14 You could also see how woodworking would be something that you would love to do
258. 00:20:19 You could also see how being a plumber would be something you love to do
259. 00:20:23 You get my point like there's a lot of these different interest areas that you think could be
260. 00:20:28 something that you do longer term and
261. 00:20:32 Thus the potential part of that the multi being you have a bunch of these and
262. 00:20:37 The the light at the end of it the it mean you are that person so a multi potential light
263. 00:20:43 Someone who has a lot of interest and you can see the potential for each of those interests to be something bigger
264. 00:20:47 Nice, how'd I do? I like it? I like your definition better than hers
265. 00:20:51 I think because a multi potential light is someone with many interests and creative pursuits
266. 00:20:56 and I think one of the things that you mentioned that I liked is the ability to see like what that thing could become and
267. 00:21:03 I think there's an inherent
268. 00:21:06 Bias in that which is okay
269. 00:21:09 Towards a work perspective
270. 00:21:12 Where the ability to become something that could provide for you and your family financially as an example
271. 00:21:18 Yeah, because there are a couple different
272. 00:21:21 Elements of a multi potential light life. Maybe this is the the time to talk about these real quick
273. 00:21:28 So this is later on in the third chapter
274. 00:21:33 But the three common elements in a multi potential light design life are money meaning and variety
275. 00:21:39 And these are pretty straightforward money we need money, but the amount will vary
276. 00:21:44 It's but it's just one ingredient to a happy life meaning. Why do you do?
277. 00:21:48 What you what you do and then variety?
278. 00:21:52 I think really is the thing that kind of stands out with multi potential lights because if you
279. 00:21:56 Don't have variety then you get bored if you have too much variety you can be overwhelmed and
280. 00:22:01 So the basic idea for every multi potential light is to recognize that there is more than one facet to the question
281. 00:22:09 what do you do and
282. 00:22:11 How do you combine those in a way that scratch all the itches?
283. 00:22:15 Yes
284. 00:22:18 So I guess a question there is do you feel like you fit this mic?
285. 00:22:23 I do we're gonna talk about that a little bit when we talk about the different different kinds
286. 00:22:28 But yes, I do and one of the things that kind of cemented this for me is
287. 00:22:34 the discussion in chapter two about the ten thousand hours from
288. 00:22:39 That's outliers right Malcolm Gladwell. Yes the belief that takes ten thousand hours to become an expert
289. 00:22:46 And she kind of makes the argument which I thought was kind of brilliant the way that she defined this well
290. 00:22:51 if ten thousand hours makes you an expert in something is
291. 00:22:54 that better or is that worse than spending twenty five hundred hours in four different areas and
292. 00:23:01 In terms of becoming an expert so Malcolm Gladwell would probably say the ten thousand hours is better
293. 00:23:09 because you're going to
294. 00:23:11 Develop a higher level of proficiency in that one thing that high level proficiency is going to be the thing that's gonna be valuable for you in
295. 00:23:19 The marketplace that's kind of Cal Newport's thing with with deep work
296. 00:23:23 but Emily says that that view assumes that only
297. 00:23:29 skill or
298. 00:23:32 Skills the only thing really that matters and I think there's some truth to that where if you
299. 00:23:38 Develop a skill in something, but you don't like doing it
300. 00:23:42 Then you're just not going to do it
301. 00:23:44 I kind of remember a point when I was growing up playing violin because I was classically trained on the violin and I was playing with symphonies when I was
302. 00:23:52 in high school
303. 00:23:54 But I also reached a point where I was like I just don't want to do this anymore
304. 00:23:58 This is boring. I made a little sign and put it in my violin case like for sale
305. 00:24:02 Nice
306. 00:24:05 and so and it took a while for me to get back into it once I went to college because I
307. 00:24:11 was trained to read
308. 00:24:14 read classical music realized that wasn't really what I wanted to do with it and
309. 00:24:19 As I had to start from scratch and developing different skills with the the instrument
310. 00:24:25 It became more fun and now it's something that I continue to do as I play on the worship team at my my church
311. 00:24:31 So I can totally see how you know if I hadn't sunk all of my
312. 00:24:35 10,000 hours into violin and I had split it up twenty five hundred hours for violin twenty five hundred hours into
313. 00:24:41 Guitar which is another thing that I've picked up not and then the not so distant past
314. 00:24:48 But if you spread it out over these different skills, you can develop enough proficiency in these skills that
315. 00:24:55 creativity and
316. 00:24:57 ingenuity and passionate the other things that she says are important that those can kind of mash together from these different domains and
317. 00:25:04 Create something that is more fulfilling for you as a person which no one on the outside will be able to
318. 00:25:09 Understand why you like doing this thing at a lower level than this other thing which you maybe already have like a
319. 00:25:16 High high high proficiency in they won't understand why you want to make that that switch sometimes
320. 00:25:23 Yeah, I want to point out one thing here in that because and I say this because I'm guessing
321. 00:25:28 Based on me knowing you and you knowing me that we're probably both in this category, but very different
322. 00:25:36 in the way that it fits in that
323. 00:25:39 And again, there are four different ways that people do this, but you can have an interest that is holding your attention for
324. 00:25:48 multiple years and then you feel like you've
325. 00:25:52 reached a point and you're ready to move on from it and go on to a new interest that can fall into this category as well
326. 00:25:58 You could also be somebody who has 12 of these all at one time
327. 00:26:02 And you want to keep all 12 of them in the air at one time
328. 00:26:06 So that could also be someone in that and you can fall in the middle too
329. 00:26:10 and there's a few different like variations of those, but I just want to call that out because I
330. 00:26:15 Think you and I are on opposite ends of that
331. 00:26:20 when we get into the actual technicals here, but all right the main thing is that I think that
332. 00:26:25 It's it's interesting to consider that
333. 00:26:29 You need to have these different domains in different areas in order to keep yourself
334. 00:26:34 engaged in any of them and
335. 00:26:37 As I was I was reading this beginning part. I was like yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes 100% this is me
336. 00:26:44 Because how many times and how many of my followers have followed me on all of these different adventures that I go on
337. 00:26:50 You know these these are things that I have a tendency to do and
338. 00:26:54 It's it's easy for me to see like I love doing woodworking. I love running sound. I
339. 00:26:59 Have learned that I love putting on online events. I have learned that I love keyboards
340. 00:27:05 I love fountain pens. I love pen and paper. I like membership sites. I like development work like
341. 00:27:11 This is a huge mix of things. Yes, they have some similarities and things
342. 00:27:16 But me doing woodworking has nothing to do with streaming at all
343. 00:27:19 So that's a thing that I have learned like I've just got a bunch of these interests
344. 00:27:24 That's the type of thing that she's talking about. Yeah when you have a lot of these different interests and you want to continue
345. 00:27:30 multiples of them and
346. 00:27:33 She talks about how to figure out how many you need etc etc. So
347. 00:27:38 I'm very fascinated to go through these specific approaches because I think we're different Mike. I think we probably are
348. 00:27:43 One thing I want to call out here though is you mentioned woodworking and I forget the other example
349. 00:27:49 It was a technical example what you that you just said and how they know it just off top my head
350. 00:27:54 Who knows I don't even mentioned membership sites membership sites blogging podcasting audio. Yeah, yeah, so many sites
351. 00:28:01 Yeah, it's maybe
352. 00:28:03 difficult to find a connection between
353. 00:28:07 Woodworking and that stuff but I believe after reading this book
354. 00:28:11 It's kind of cement that even even more firmly in my head that there is a connection there and that's kind of what makes you you and so
355. 00:28:19 Don't be ashamed that you have these things which don't seem to be connected in any way because the fact that you have these
356. 00:28:26 Experiences and these different domains that's going to ultimately make you more creative
357. 00:28:31 I think back to steal like an artist by Austin Kleon, which I probably referenced way too much
358. 00:28:37 But that's really the thing that and we've never done it here on the show
359. 00:28:41 Well, we'll have to at some point because that book was kind of the thing that gave me the the permission I needed to be creative
360. 00:28:49 He talks about when you create something you're just connecting dots in different ways
361. 00:28:54 And so when you've got woodworking dots and you've got membership site dots and you've got podcasting dots
362. 00:29:00 Like you are able to connect those dots sometimes you don't see the connections right away
363. 00:29:04 But that's okay like ultimately that's just your palette that you have to to work with and that's the part that
364. 00:29:10 Non-multi potentialites will never understand because they'll say okay
365. 00:29:14 You want to be a woodworker because that's the only silo that they can see inside
366. 00:29:20 You know that they don't have the ability to see the other silos or how they connect and they say well
367. 00:29:25 You're pretty good at woodworking if you would just devote yourself you could really be an expert woodworker
368. 00:29:31 Like I don't want to be like that guy over there
369. 00:29:34 I just want to do it a little bit have some fun with it
370. 00:29:38 And then I do think if you are able to make those connections though
371. 00:29:41 You're able to see how one domain influences another that can create some motivation to keep going with some of these
372. 00:29:47 These habits if you have
373. 00:29:48 Multiple of these things that are going at this on at the same time now
374. 00:29:52 There is a spectrum that she talks about in this first section where you have a bunch of things going on at the same time
375. 00:29:57 on one end
376. 00:29:58 And on the other end you only do one thing but you do it
377. 00:30:01 Well, you're all in for a little while and then you completely drop it and you go to something else
378. 00:30:05 It sounds like that's her approach and she has an image of like her career path and how it's connected all these different different things right and
379. 00:30:14 The people in her life who don't understand the whole idea of like the multi potential at lifestyle
380. 00:30:20 They're like well
381. 00:30:21 You just are restarting all the time and she doesn't view it that way like on an XY access like she's she's continuing to move up
382. 00:30:28 But she just goes up for a little bit and then switches lanes and goes up again
383. 00:30:32 Right and I think that that is a pretty powerful idea even if you don't understand how those lanes connect
384. 00:30:39 Yeah, because you know to go back to some of your examples here, you know, I
385. 00:30:44 I love sound equipment like this is this is not a secret
386. 00:30:49 But I also really like doing video work as well. I like doing networking
387. 00:30:57 I like doing web development work. So guess what whenever you do something like streaming
388. 00:31:01 Like right now this this always confuses people. Well, no, this is this is not as good an example
389. 00:31:07 So we did a big worship in the parking lot event. Thanks to COVID, you know worship in the parking lot in
390. 00:31:12 order to do that in
391. 00:31:15 live stream it at the same time and
392. 00:31:18 To have a full video crew had to have a sound crew had to have a technical producer of sorts
393. 00:31:23 Which ended up being me and another person we had to have a video board. I had to have a stage
394. 00:31:28 I had to have all the sound equipment. I had to have you know somebody helping people determine when to go up on stage
395. 00:31:34 etc, etc
396. 00:31:35 And I'm sitting with a headset on monitoring all of that all the way down to is the compressor correct on the pastor's voice
397. 00:31:43 Like that's the level of detail that I'm monitoring all at one time and I know a lot of those
398. 00:31:48 areas pretty well
399. 00:31:52 But between my ADD and this multi potential light way of having interest like all of those converged into a single event and
400. 00:31:59 People were telling me afterwards like I'd be stressed out. It's like I was ready to go for another couple hours
401. 00:32:05 Like I was fine. It's totally cool, but that's because
402. 00:32:09 I've done some work in a lot of those different arenas and they just happen to come together
403. 00:32:14 But you're correct like in things like woodworking. I
404. 00:32:16 Don't want woodworking to be something I do professionally
405. 00:32:21 You know, I'll make cabinets. I made a nice china cabinet hutch out of cherry wood for my mother-in-law
406. 00:32:26 But the skills I've learned in how to prepare and put pieces together in
407. 00:32:31 Woodworking
408. 00:32:33 Developed your puzzle brain and how to put individual components together. I use that in development work all the time
409. 00:32:39 Yeah, it's the same skill just in very different
410. 00:32:43 Manifested very differently. Yeah as you're describing what you were doing for the audio in the video
411. 00:32:50 I think there maybe is no more multi potential light job than like an AV guy
412. 00:32:56 So true so true
413. 00:32:59 Because you got to understand I know a little bit about this stuff
414. 00:33:02 Just but I know just enough for to make what I record sound a little bit better
415. 00:33:06 Sure, so you got understand compression you got to understand I mean just even in the audio stuff
416. 00:33:11 There's all these different things that you can go really deep on
417. 00:33:14 Yes, and then it all comes together in a live listening to my voice and I'm hearing all the time
418. 00:33:20 Things that are wrong is like well, I know what needs done, but I can't fix it with like the system
419. 00:33:25 I have I can't fix that so I just have to let it go
420. 00:33:28 It's you know forever practice in patience and just letting it go
421. 00:33:32 Yeah, and that's actually very much like the the group hug approach, which is the first one here
422. 00:33:39 Before we get to that though just real briefly. I want to call out. She has multi potentialite superpowers
423. 00:33:45 I think these are great we talked a little bit about this how
424. 00:33:48 Having these different domains to draw from can make you more creative
425. 00:33:51 But I think these things
426. 00:33:53 We need to we need to document these so number one idea synthesis number two rapid learning number three adaptability
427. 00:34:01 number four big picture thinking and number five relating and
428. 00:34:05 translating I
429. 00:34:07 think the one that jumps out to me the most about this is idea synthesis and
430. 00:34:11 That is because I feel like that's what we have done with the books that we read for bookworm
431. 00:34:18 We read for the most part productivity
432. 00:34:20 self-development personal growth type books that every once in a while will get something that's very specific or very niche and
433. 00:34:27 Just like totally in a different domain and it's always fascinating to me how
434. 00:34:32 Those things connect to like the getting things done type books. Yes, you know the systems books that are so prevalent in this the space and
435. 00:34:43 I
436. 00:34:45 Don't know. It's it's kind of cool to see if you if you had a visual representation of this stuff
437. 00:34:52 Which is one of the things that I think is kind of cool about
438. 00:34:55 Roman obsidian is that it does give you the ability to see how those room. Yep. There we go. See how those dots connect and
439. 00:35:02 The first time that you see that it's kind of like wow. I had no idea that stuff was there. It's like a
440. 00:35:11 manifestation of the stuff that's inside your brain on the screen in front of you and
441. 00:35:16 Being able to like click around and move between those things and see like oh, that's how that's
442. 00:35:22 connected because
443. 00:35:23 mentioned it in that book and then that led to this thing and that connected to the other thing and it all comes back to growth mindset and flow
444. 00:35:29 You know, yes, like we kind of stumble on that stuff as we talk about these books sometimes but being able to actually see it I
445. 00:35:38 feel is
446. 00:35:41 Another evidence and support for the multi-potential at lifestyle
447. 00:35:45 I feel like we should just skip right over some of that because I disagree with some of it
448. 00:35:51 Because like the thing the concept of like having an idea system that lets me see all of those connections
449. 00:35:58 From an ADD stance. That's a nightmare
450. 00:36:01 Okay
451. 00:36:03 No, you do not want that at all. Maybe that's some of my complaints
452. 00:36:08 Results you don't want to know how the sausage is made because if I go down that road the sauces won't get made
453. 00:36:14 Fair enough fair enough
454. 00:36:18 Yeah, no, that's that's fine
455. 00:36:19 But I did have that although I didn't have that kind of a moment the first time
456. 00:36:23 I saw that that graph and really the thing that clicked for me is when I was looking at a specific book and
457. 00:36:29 I saw the things that were connected to that book not like the giant one like when you dump everything in there
458. 00:36:34 And you see all of the overwhelming number of dots, right?
459. 00:36:37 But when you've got a handful of things that connect to something that you're actually studying and interested in right now
460. 00:36:42 You know, I think that's kind of cool and there's probably other ways to do that
461. 00:36:46 Maybe you can figure out a way to do that with the bullet journal. I don't know. I don't like this is
462. 00:36:50 you know people try to externalize these connections a lot and
463. 00:36:54 I find that you know
464. 00:36:57 And there are a lot of folks and I get what the point is but when people talk about creating is more
465. 00:37:04 important than consuming and I don't think I would disagree with the sentiment there
466. 00:37:09 But I know that I need to continue consuming at a pretty high level in order to create got it. Yep
467. 00:37:16 That's that's me. I don't
468. 00:37:19 The things that I personally create from like a connection in a dot generation
469. 00:37:25 Idea synthesis concept
470. 00:37:28 They don't help me make big broad jumps
471. 00:37:32 It it ends up being a waste of my time because my brain moves so fast
472. 00:37:36 That I'm better off reading a book that I disagree with in some cases like
473. 00:37:42 What was the recent one crossroads?
474. 00:37:45 So like that one gave me all kinds of ideas for other things
475. 00:37:50 I didn't like the book, but it gave me tons and tons of connections to other things sure
476. 00:37:55 But I don't need to externalize that
477. 00:37:58 I'm better off taking advantage of what I learned right now and then build off of that and consuming some other things
478. 00:38:04 That's how I operate
479. 00:38:05 This is this is maybe why I have such an angst against some of these note-takers and that you love them
480. 00:38:11 Because we have very different views on how we come up with those ideas
481. 00:38:16 Yeah, and how we go about synthesizing those we're just not completely opposite into the spectrum on how we do that. Yeah, that's
482. 00:38:24 A very valid point. I think and you also mentioned the crossroads that should have must tonight after reading this book
483. 00:38:29 I feel like depending on your view of
484. 00:38:34 multi-potential light ism
485. 00:38:37 You could get very different
486. 00:38:39 reactions to that book
487. 00:38:42 Yes, and maybe that's where this comes from because right maybe we should get into these different types
488. 00:38:47 Yeah, let's jump into the types
489. 00:38:49 I think your type would resonate with shouldn't must more so than my type. Okay, that might be it
490. 00:38:55 Yeah, let's let's get into the types here and
491. 00:38:57 let's go through all of them and
492. 00:39:00 if you want to
493. 00:39:04 If you want to talk about like where you fit in here as we go, that's that's cool
494. 00:39:09 And I'll try to do the same although. I'm not a hundred percent sure which one I fit into
495. 00:39:14 Haven't I have a feeling there's one that I'm that's dominant, but
496. 00:39:18 So we'll just jump into the first one here the group I could tell you
497. 00:39:23 Yeah, let me let me hear what you you think I am okay
498. 00:39:28 I'll do it after we go through this because I think it's gonna be helpful for people to see what they are
499. 00:39:31 So the first room you doing it I can do it
500. 00:39:34 The four types four types are the group hug approach which is having one multifaceted job or business that allows you to wear many hats
501. 00:39:41 There's the slash approach which is having two or more part-time jobs or businesses that you that you flip between on a regular basis
502. 00:39:48 There's the Einstein approach which is having one full-time job or business that fully supports you while leaving you with enough time and energy to pursue your other passions on the side
503. 00:39:56 And the Phoenix approach which is working in a single industry for several months or years and then shifting gears and starting a new career in a new industry
504. 00:40:05 And there's helpful visuals for all of these in the book. I thought they were helpful anyways
505. 00:40:10 And I feel like from the story at the beginning you can tell that Emily Wopnick is the
506. 00:40:14 Phoenix approach
507. 00:40:16 But there's some cool ideas associated with each one of these so let's break them down one by one starting with the group hug approach
508. 00:40:23 So the visual for this is literally like a big circle with money meaning and variety in the middle and then
509. 00:40:29 Kind of a one multifaceted job or business along the outside and like arrows going around it
510. 00:40:35 So this is kind of like where you are able to just stay here for the rest of your life
511. 00:40:39 And you're totally happy because you're able to do all of these things which maybe aren't even in your job description
512. 00:40:44 But they give you the ability to develop stuff that is that you're interested in that you're passionate about
513. 00:40:50 And allow you to feel like you're you're growing and you feel fulfilled without having to change your job
514. 00:40:56 Is that fair description? Yes, and you're doing good. All right
515. 00:41:01 Do you have anything you want to share about the group hug approach?
516. 00:41:04 I feel like the group hug approach is one that is difficult to locate
517. 00:41:09 Agreed like if you're someone who needs a lot of things happening
518. 00:41:12 It's like the the parking lot thing i'm talking about from a v stance
519. 00:41:15 I would say that most
520. 00:41:18 I'm not gonna say all but most sound engineers that i've worked with fit into this
521. 00:41:23 This particular category because you have to keep in mind
522. 00:41:29 not just
523. 00:41:30 The science of how you're getting sound out into the room, but you have to keep in mind the creative side of how are you actually putting together?
524. 00:41:38 The feel of the room because you can like I can control
525. 00:41:42 This is this is gonna sound weird based on the way I run a sound board
526. 00:41:47 I can control how much a group is singing along with who's on stage
527. 00:41:50 Yeah, totally I get it based on the way you run it. So yes, I have to have people on stage
528. 00:41:58 Producing that sound but the way I alter it I can adjust that so like
529. 00:42:03 That's a group hug approach and you know when you've got a bunch of these different aspects that you're maintaining all at one time
530. 00:42:10 But I don't think these are easy to find you know no she she mentioned I think the architecture
531. 00:42:15 tends to fit into this
532. 00:42:18 To some because you've got the science the math side of it
533. 00:42:21 But there's also an art form and a design aspect to it as well
534. 00:42:25 So that's that's kind of what they're getting at or she's getting at with that particular approach
535. 00:42:29 Yeah, and the the thing that makes this work is something she calls smooshing
536. 00:42:35 Which is blending together
537. 00:42:37 disparate entities right and she talks about how the group hug approach
538. 00:42:42 Can either be found or created by smooshing but finding the
539. 00:42:47 That that needle in the haystack. I think she would agree that that's that's pretty rare
540. 00:42:53 Some strategies she she shares for smooshing
541. 00:42:56 I can't say that word without laughing
542. 00:43:00 Smooshing smooshing
543. 00:43:02 Is working in a naturally interdisciplinary field which is what you were describing with the architects
544. 00:43:08 Uh figuring out where the multi potential lights in a particular area hang out
545. 00:43:13 Working for an open-minded organization where
546. 00:43:16 This isn't your job, but they need a new website and you say hey, I know a web development
547. 00:43:20 Let me take a crack at it and they're like oh, yeah sure. Why not? It'd be better than hiring somebody
548. 00:43:24 You know those places do exist, but most places will go hire the expert
549. 00:43:28 Right. I would go hire the expert honestly. I don't I do things on my own. Well on your own
550. 00:43:35 It's okay because if you break it
551. 00:43:37 You can fix it. So true, but it's true. I'm not gonna go in and tinker with joe's wordpress site
552. 00:43:42 Like that makes me nervous
553. 00:43:44 I totally would though like I would
554. 00:43:46 All right
555. 00:43:49 Number four and the strategies for smooshing making an existing job more plural and number five starting a business
556. 00:43:55 I feel like starting a business is one of the ones I could apply to
557. 00:43:59 all of these different approaches
558. 00:44:01 And maybe is the thing
559. 00:44:04 That people would look at as well
560. 00:44:06 This is obvious that you should try to create your own thing that fits your specific like the way you're wired
561. 00:44:12 But I don't think that's necessarily the best approach for
562. 00:44:16 everybody
563. 00:44:18 So I want to make that point right here because I feel like as you go through this book
564. 00:44:25 You could get excited about yeah, I'm gonna be an entrepreneur
565. 00:44:28 And then just totally fail at it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Yeah
566. 00:44:33 So that's the group hug approach one thing I want to call out here is that like to make this work
567. 00:44:41 Because one of the things she talks about earlier and I don't remember the exact way of coming out the at this
568. 00:44:46 But you have to figure out how many different interests you need to maintain and roughly what those are yes
569. 00:44:52 So there's like a whole trying out section at the end where she walks you through step by step like
570. 00:44:57 See if this is for you the first step pretty much everything is creating your master list of interests
571. 00:45:02 yes, and
572. 00:45:04 the reason I want to say that is because
573. 00:45:06 Like this example I've been using of AV
574. 00:45:09 There's like two to three
575. 00:45:12 maybe three possibly four different areas that you need to maintain it at one time
576. 00:45:17 and
577. 00:45:19 If that's the number of things that you need, you know, if architecture is your thing math science and design like if three things is your
578. 00:45:26 Interest requirement in that
579. 00:45:29 This could work really well
580. 00:45:31 If you're similar to me
581. 00:45:33 Like because I did some of those exercises for me. It's close to six or seven
582. 00:45:38 That's the problem. So something like a group hug approach won't work
583. 00:45:43 Generally because it's very very difficult to find a single
584. 00:45:47 Thing to do that's gonna have that many
585. 00:45:50 In one spot. Yep. I did not go through all of these
586. 00:45:55 Because I kind of didn't see the point in doing it. It's like worksheets at the end of
587. 00:46:01 Yeah, these chapters are these sections and it's like I
588. 00:46:04 I skimmed a lot of it to be honest
589. 00:46:07 Yeah, I like the fact that she includes them and if you find somebody in the right stage of their life
590. 00:46:12 I feel like going through those is going to be very valuable. It's going to open your eyes to some things
591. 00:46:17 Right, but when I was looking at him and I was looking at the questions and I was like, okay
592. 00:46:21 So if I identify this other thing like
593. 00:46:25 What does that mean? Like how does that change things?
594. 00:46:29 I am very happy where I'm at doing what I'm doing like I don't want to rock the boat yet
595. 00:46:34 But if you are looking to rock the boat or your boat's been rocked for you
596. 00:46:37 That's kind of the perfect time to go through that sort of stuff. Right, right?
597. 00:46:41 All right, one other thing I should mention here before we get into the next one is that she
598. 00:46:45 Talks about in the summary of the four models that it is okay to mix and match between these
599. 00:46:49 Not quite sure what that looks like, but I think that might be me
600. 00:46:53 So the next approach is the slash approach
601. 00:46:58 And this is the one where you have
602. 00:47:01 Many different part-time jobs or businesses that you go back and forth between
603. 00:47:06 and kind of the formula is
604. 00:47:08 Part-time job or business plus part-time job or business plus part-time job or business plus or minus a part-time job or business equals
605. 00:47:15 the slash approach
606. 00:47:17 This is the one that I heard about when I was talking to j so I think he probably identifies himself as a
607. 00:47:22 slash
608. 00:47:24 But slasher. Yeah, I don't want to say that but yeah, I guess
609. 00:47:30 Don't don't read into that one listen into that. Yeah
610. 00:47:34 Uh, she does use that term though, so it's completely fair. It's true. Uh, I cringed when I read it
611. 00:47:42 but
612. 00:47:44 If you read the footnote
613. 00:47:45 Yeah, I did she's like this doesn't actually apply like there's so many things wrong with this
614. 00:47:50 But I'm gonna use it anyway. Yeah, the footnotes are pretty funny in this book by the way
615. 00:47:56 They're not just the standard. Here's the study M site right?
616. 00:47:59 Right. It's like get over it. Like this is this is exactly what I'm gonna say. I don't care what you think
617. 00:48:04 This is this is what I need exactly so that was that was kind of cool
618. 00:48:08 Uh, but the big idea from this slash approach is that each slash fulfills a different
619. 00:48:15 aspect of the totality of of you
620. 00:48:18 and I think that's kind of cool. That's a cool idea and uh
621. 00:48:23 I think this is she mentions her street paths that leave do a slash career
622. 00:48:26 So
623. 00:48:27 I think we need to cover this before I say what I really want to say and that is
624. 00:48:31 You want out of your full-time job
625. 00:48:34 You are being presented with a part-time opportunity or you just dive in and you refine as you go
626. 00:48:40 So the thing that jumps up to me here is like wanting out of your full-time job
627. 00:48:44 I feel like i've talked to a lot of people who
628. 00:48:47 would describe their situation that way
629. 00:48:51 And I would argue that that's maybe not
630. 00:48:54 the
631. 00:48:55 The best approach to take is like well, I just don't feel like this is the thing for me and I want out of this situation
632. 00:49:00 Well, what are you going to do?
633. 00:49:03 Instead, you know, I know a lot of people who will jump between jobs
634. 00:49:08 Thinking that the grass is going to be greener over there and then they get there and it's like
635. 00:49:13 Actually, I had a pretty good back where I was. Yes. Yes. So I don't think
636. 00:49:21 that you need and this kind of gets into the next one. So
637. 00:49:23 I don't want to talk about too much yet, but uh
638. 00:49:26 Don't it just the fact that you're feeling a little bit unfulfilled in certain areas of your life
639. 00:49:31 doesn't necessarily mean that you have to abandon ship
640. 00:49:36 And uh, the slash approach would really to summarize it is like what little thing can I do on the side
641. 00:49:43 Which is going to allow me to fulfill
642. 00:49:46 that
643. 00:49:48 Passion or that desire that longing right that aspect of who I am
644. 00:49:52 Yeah, and I will say like the slash approach is one that I tried
645. 00:49:57 Whenever
646. 00:49:59 Uh, I was doing development work as a freelancer
647. 00:50:02 Because I would do like web hosting. I would do actual development work. I did consulting
648. 00:50:09 We did bookworm was still going at that time too. So like
649. 00:50:13 I had four to five of these different income streams
650. 00:50:18 Uh, and then there was bookworm
651. 00:50:20 At the time so like there's these different approaches that I've had like operating at the same time. So it
652. 00:50:29 It's a place I've been and I can tell you like that's not where I need to be
653. 00:50:34 Sure
654. 00:50:35 Any other advice for people who find themselves in the the slash approach because I feel like I'm not even qualified enough to
655. 00:50:41 To speak to this. I feel like I've kind of accidentally tried this for a while
656. 00:50:46 And it just stressed me out
657. 00:50:47 every time I get involved with a
658. 00:50:49 Slash that I view as like a part-time thing
659. 00:50:53 The my brain always goes to how can I make this the full-time thing?
660. 00:50:57 Correct. Yeah, and I get frustrated when it doesn't grow
661. 00:51:01 Yeah, that's the hard part because
662. 00:51:03 You know, if you're going to
663. 00:51:06 If you're gonna go down that path number one, I would recommend that you start with one of these other approaches first
664. 00:51:12 And let those grow to a point where the collective of them will work
665. 00:51:17 Yeah, but it's
666. 00:51:20 It's a math game
667. 00:51:23 Financially frankly
668. 00:51:25 Uh, which she does call out that you know, you have to figure out what your bare minimum
669. 00:51:28 Dollars are and how you're gonna get that and how are you're gonna maintain that and that's important
670. 00:51:34 So she doesn't discount that
671. 00:51:37 But what you have to do here is I think you have to take
672. 00:51:41 At least the next approach we're gonna talk about the Einstein approach
673. 00:51:45 And then let side things grow so I guess let me just jump into that one quick. So the Einstein approach is
674. 00:51:53 And it gets its name because of the way Einstein did his work
675. 00:51:58 She's not 100 certain if Einstein was a multi-potentialator not but he did have
676. 00:52:05 a
677. 00:52:07 full-time job in a patent office
678. 00:52:10 And then worked on his things after hours
679. 00:52:13 That's the Einstein approach where you have one thing that is good enough to use her words
680. 00:52:19 It's good enough to get the bills paid
681. 00:52:22 and then you have these other things that you do
682. 00:52:25 to
683. 00:52:28 fulfill yourself and to
684. 00:52:30 Basically give yourself the space to explore those interests
685. 00:52:33 And they don't have to drive an income. You're not requiring that
686. 00:52:38 But it does help if it does but it gives you different avenues to
687. 00:52:42 to explore
688. 00:52:44 If you want to do the slash approach if the concept of having one core thing that you're doing that your work
689. 00:52:50 comes from
690. 00:52:52 or that your income comes from
691. 00:52:54 then
692. 00:52:56 You can start with that I would recommend you start with that Einstein approach and then start
693. 00:53:00 Things on the side and then continue to let those grow until the collective of those
694. 00:53:07 becomes large enough to let you forego
695. 00:53:10 the main but
696. 00:53:13 Be very leery of what you're saying mike in that
697. 00:53:17 If you do that the temptation is to take one and go big with it. This is what I did
698. 00:53:23 So I had a slash approach that was working
699. 00:53:27 And I had web development. I had all these other different avenues and it was working
700. 00:53:32 but everyone always told me that
701. 00:53:36 You got to find your thing and
702. 00:53:38 Go for it. Like that's the thing that people tell you. So I slowly kicked off
703. 00:53:43 About three of my side deals that were driving an income so where I could focus on the one that was the most lucrative
704. 00:53:50 And I burn out on it
705. 00:53:52 And it didn't didn't stick so then Joe's been on a spiral ever since
706. 00:53:56 I couldn't have termed it this way until reading this book
707. 00:54:01 But that's essentially what I did
708. 00:54:03 So I
709. 00:54:04 If you're interested in the slash approach my encouragement to you is do the Einstein approach first where you do have the one
710. 00:54:10 That is good enough and then it fulfills one of those interests
711. 00:54:14 And then put the things on the side and let those slashes slowly
712. 00:54:18 Grow so what I got I think there's two ways you can
713. 00:54:22 Work the slash approach
714. 00:54:25 You can just be fine with all of the things that you're doing
715. 00:54:29 never really
716. 00:54:31 reaching their full potential
717. 00:54:33 Which is not appealing to me at all
718. 00:54:36 Sure
719. 00:54:38 Or
720. 00:54:40 You can pick one of your slashes and say this one is more important than the others
721. 00:54:46 Right, which essentially is the Einstein approach
722. 00:54:50 But I think there's maybe some middle ground there
723. 00:54:53 Because the Einstein approach
724. 00:54:56 Really is talking about like the good enough
725. 00:55:01 Job and this is the thing that makes me bristle with the Einstein approach
726. 00:55:05 If this term was not there, I would be 100% on board the Einstein train
727. 00:55:11 Sure
728. 00:55:13 But I don't envision what I do at this sweet setup as the good enough
729. 00:55:18 Job like I really do enjoy being there and what I get to do
730. 00:55:22 And I feel like that helps me to grow and develop skills that
731. 00:55:25 Ultimately, that's the thing for me is everything that I'm doing I want it to
732. 00:55:30 Help me to grow as a person
733. 00:55:32 So you could look at it and say well, you're doing an Einstein approach and you've got the sweet setup
734. 00:55:37 You've got focus
735. 00:55:39 You've got bookworm all these little things on the side and I think that if you just look at the
736. 00:55:43 The chart in the book that's accurate until you label the thing in the middle the good enough job
737. 00:55:49 And then I'm like, no, I don't like this anymore
738. 00:55:53 No, that's because you're not an Einstein multi potential eight. Okay. What do you think I am?
739. 00:55:59 We got one more the Phoenix
740. 00:56:01 All right, I talk about the Phoenix before we get there
741. 00:56:03 We can talk about the Phoenix
742. 00:56:05 Yeah
743. 00:56:05 Before we get there real quickly what makes a good enough job because I do think that this applies to some people
744. 00:56:10 And there's nothing wrong with taking the Einstein approach where you are working in the patent office and
745. 00:56:16 Your brilliance is wasted there, but you have enough in the tank for the other stuff when you get done
746. 00:56:20 So what makes a good a good enough job?
747. 00:56:24 Good enough has to be enjoyable
748. 00:56:26 Preferably even challenging and fun and in an area in which you have genuine interest
749. 00:56:30 If they have a high enough salary to allow you to meet your financial goals
750. 00:56:33 And it has to leave you with enough free time and energy to pursue your other interests outside of work
751. 00:56:38 And again, I don't like the term good enough job, but that all makes sense to me
752. 00:56:44 One of the things I've discovered is that I can work really hard on something for a while in one domain
753. 00:56:52 And then go do something else in a different domain and it's almost like
754. 00:56:56 My energy levels have been reset
755. 00:56:58 It sounds kind of weird
756. 00:57:01 but it's almost like
757. 00:57:04 You have different tanks for the different
758. 00:57:07 abilities or different modes that you operate in
759. 00:57:10 I can be creating something writing creating of course, whatever just feel totally drained
760. 00:57:15 Stop pick up my guitar start plunking around on the guitar again
761. 00:57:19 I'm still creating but it's a different part of the brain that it's activating
762. 00:57:23 It's like so just 10 minutes plunking around on the on the guitar and now I'm re-energizing ready to get back to work
763. 00:57:29 I have no idea how that works. I just know that it does work. Yeah
764. 00:57:32 Two things I want to point out here one the chat had a good question of you know the difference between a multi potential light and a polymath
765. 00:57:40 And I think that's an important distinction because she does call that out
766. 00:57:44 And that she's not referring to a polymath
767. 00:57:48 So polymath being someone who is like an expert in a whole bunch of different arenas
768. 00:57:53 And I think that's
769. 00:57:55 Uh, you know, that's that's one spectrum, but I think that's like beyond
770. 00:58:00 A multi potential light like multi potential light to the extreme
771. 00:58:04 It's it's a version of a multi potential light but multi potential light doesn't mean that like she has alternate names at the beginning
772. 00:58:10 And polymath is one of the ones she lists there along with renaissance person jack of all trades generalists scanner puddie like
773. 00:58:16 But polymath is in my opinion
774. 00:58:19 You've achieved like the 10,000 hour level of expertise in these different areas times 12
775. 00:58:25 Yeah
776. 00:58:27 So like that is something that is like the the the top 1%
777. 00:58:33 But that's not something like if you could call it that but I think trying to become that is uh
778. 00:58:39 Is not a great idea. No, the other thing I want to bring up is that
779. 00:58:46 She does call out that you can like mix and match these and it does tend to overlap
780. 00:58:51 Uh in different ways and you can be all like a bunch of these in different
781. 00:58:56 Times and you can grow from one to the other. This is why I don't think you're actually one of these mic
782. 00:59:02 I think
783. 00:59:05 In the reason I think you're having a hard time kneeling down is because i'm not one of these as well
784. 00:59:09 Okay
785. 00:59:10 I need close to six or seven different things going on at one time to feel like I have all of my interests and my energy
786. 00:59:18 appropriately
787. 00:59:20 Spread out. This is why it's so difficult for me to to work out how to make this work
788. 00:59:25 Right now what I have is a mix of the group hug approach and
789. 00:59:31 the
790. 00:59:32 Einstein approach and the slash approach so I have a mix of those three currently so my main core day job
791. 00:59:40 Has the av world plus networking plus web development all thrown into one so it covers a lot of different areas
792. 00:59:46 Uh, but I also have things nights weekends and left over time when we do things like bookworm or i've got analog joe
793. 00:59:54 Or i've got my own code projects that I work on
794. 00:59:57 Which kind of become slash approach is because of the way i'm doing the Einstein approach
795. 01:00:02 Sure, does that make sense? So like you've got these different ways that you're coming at it
796. 01:00:07 I think that for you
797. 01:00:09 The sweet setup is a really nice and the reason you don't like the good enough phrase is because you don't have an einsan approach
798. 01:00:16 You have a group hug approach with einstein thrown on top
799. 01:00:18 Okay
800. 01:00:20 Yeah, I think that's why so like the group hug she never talks about a good enough
801. 01:00:23 She talks about how it fulfills you in a lot of different ways because there's so many different things that you're doing
802. 01:00:28 Yeah, because you never know like you could be recording you could be writing scripts you could be
803. 01:00:31 You know writing blog posts like they're recording screencasts
804. 01:00:36 Like there's so many different things that you can do at the sweet setup that
805. 01:00:39 It is a multi potentialite type of role a group hug type role having built and made a lot of that type of content
806. 01:00:46 It takes a lot of different skills to do that. So I would imagine that you've got currently you have that group hug approach
807. 01:00:53 Uh in your editor position at the sweet setup, but you do have bookworm you've got your interest in fountain pins
808. 01:00:59 You've got your interest in mechanical keyboards
809. 01:01:02 To me those fit in with your einstein after hours thing sure but that the the aspect of good enough from einstein doesn't apply
810. 01:01:11 Got it. That's that's my perspective. How how accurate am I?
811. 01:01:15 I think that makes sense. The one aspect though
812. 01:01:18 Is the from the slash approach? I think is
813. 01:01:22 That anytime you monetize something essentially it is a part-time job sure. Yeah, so I could very well
814. 01:01:30 be doing
815. 01:01:32 Podcasts as an example
816. 01:01:34 For no money just for the experience that I get out of them
817. 01:01:38 And at that point it's kind of like a little blip in the einstein approach
818. 01:01:43 But the moment that they do contribute to your
819. 01:01:47 income
820. 01:01:49 I think they kind of
821. 01:01:51 They kind of transitioned into slash territory sure so it's really hard for me to define these but basically I view it as like there's
822. 01:01:58 There's all these different dots you the group hug approach is like the one giant dot
823. 01:02:02 Yep, the good enough job is like a pretty big dot not quite as big
824. 01:02:07 And then you've got the part-time dots which are a little bit smaller
825. 01:02:12 And then you've got like the the tiny little ones which are just like oh, I'm that's something I'm interested in
826. 01:02:16 But I'm not going to turn that into into a job. Yeah sure. That's just gonna stay
827. 01:02:21 And then like you throw on top of this
828. 01:02:25 Because I think you do this as well as I do like in in special interest things off on the side like
829. 01:02:30 Uh, I picked up motion graphic
830. 01:02:33 Design a little bit so that I could do some
831. 01:02:36 Animations and stuff on screen because I wanted to be able to do that so I just I figured out how to do it
832. 01:02:42 Uh, you know that type of thing fits into the phoenix approach
833. 01:02:45 so
834. 01:02:47 Like sure I'll have these things where it's like, okay, I'm gonna go learn how to do this
835. 01:02:52 I'm gonna learn how to do it well enough and then all like once I figured it out and it becomes easy
836. 01:02:56 I don't want it anymore like I need to move on like that's the thing people always like oh
837. 01:03:01 I gotta get through the learning curve so that it gets easy like sure that's great
838. 01:03:04 But as soon as it gets easy, I'm gone like
839. 01:03:06 That's yeah, that's when I need to move on and do other things because I know that for me
840. 01:03:11 The challenge and that beginner's curve is what keeps me interested and that's what keeps me coming into the new thing
841. 01:03:18 So that's I have the phoenix approach in that sense. Yeah, you do
842. 01:03:21 I'm gonna go learn that and once I have it mastered. I'm done. I need to go on to something else
843. 01:03:25 Yeah, so the phoenix approach you probably don't need to spend a lot of time talking about because I think it's pretty straightforward
844. 01:03:31 Basically you do something you build a career you get bored like chow you kill it
845. 01:03:35 And then you rise from the ashes to do something else
846. 01:03:38 Uh, she does have the loathing scale which she talks about in this section of how to tell when you should
847. 01:03:48 Cut things loose
848. 01:03:49 On a scale of one to ten one is I love my job ten
849. 01:03:52 I feel sick thinking about going to work
850. 01:03:54 She mentions at the best time to switch is somewhere between five and eight
851. 01:03:58 If you wait until nine or ten, you probably won't make a very graceful exit and then she's got some tips for a smooth transition
852. 01:04:04 Which I could see where these are maybe helpful, but this whole approach
853. 01:04:11 Just is not for me. This scares the heck out of me. I don't want to do this
854. 01:04:18 Yes, so I'll let you the the part-time phoenix explain
855. 01:04:22 what to do
856. 01:04:26 in these situations I
857. 01:04:28 Have been back and forth with jobs and stuff because I don't feel like I understood this
858. 01:04:32 And I have been following what people tell me and that you need to find your one thing
859. 01:04:38 And I don't think that's true
860. 01:04:41 I think that I you know
861. 01:04:43 the problem I have is the need for so many different interests
862. 01:04:46 and
863. 01:04:48 If I want to like say that that's a thing that I actually need and then it's not just me being dumb and I need to
864. 01:04:53 Man up and pick one like I I don't want to do that
865. 01:04:58 So if I don't want to do that, I have to figure out how to make something else work
866. 01:05:04 I think that as you
867. 01:05:06 Go through the learning process with this
868. 01:05:10 It's very easy for someone who is single and able to take on a lot of risk to do something like the slash approach
869. 01:05:16 It's also easy for someone in that same situation to do something like the phoenix approach
870. 01:05:20 So one being you've got a handful of different things contracts part-times whatever to make up your income
871. 01:05:26 The phoenix being I'm going to do this for three years and then I'm gonna go do something else for three years
872. 01:05:31 Then I'm gonna go do something else for two like you can do that when you don't need stability and a lack of risk
873. 01:05:38 if you have kids and a family to provide for
874. 01:05:42 That level of risk is a little less tolerable
875. 01:05:48 so
876. 01:05:50 Although I would have a tendency to want to go after that slash approach. I feel like that's something that my tendency would be
877. 01:05:57 Instead of doing that I'm pursuing a combination of others
878. 01:06:03 in order to maintain that at a better level in order to have that stability so
879. 01:06:08 Could I go down the phoenix route? I probably could
880. 01:06:12 but
881. 01:06:14 I don't like the risk involved with
882. 01:06:16 Trying to exit gracefully probably before I really need to
883. 01:06:21 and trying to get into something else
884. 01:06:23 The concept of leaving and starting things I don't care for am I good at the beginner's curve?
885. 01:06:31 Yeah, I'm really good at that. I can pick up new things very quickly and a lot of people can in this
886. 01:06:36 Mindset like when you have this multi potentialites concept in your brain
887. 01:06:41 so if you have that I feel like it's easy to
888. 01:06:44 to make those moves like to learn new things but
889. 01:06:48 I don't care for the phoenix approach though people do obviously Emily is one that does that
890. 01:06:55 she has a tendency to do it in that way but I
891. 01:06:59 Have a hard time recommending that one
892. 01:07:01 Yeah, I feel like a discussion of risk aversion is missing from this whole book
893. 01:07:07 Yeah, that's fair
894. 01:07:08 Just assumes that there's this internal trigger that's just going to go off every so often
895. 01:07:14 And you just got to got to go with it, but right it's not actually true
896. 01:07:19 Uh, I also think that these different approaches are maybe more powerful
897. 01:07:27 Maybe not more powerful
898. 01:07:29 I understand why she breaks it into these four different buckets. This is a very
899. 01:07:33 straightforward
900. 01:07:35 Model that people can wrap their head around
901. 01:07:37 But I feel like I could connect with this more
902. 01:07:41 If she had said these are the components
903. 01:07:45 Like I mentioned the different size dots
904. 01:07:48 Now place them on your canvas how you see fit
905. 01:07:51 I feel like if you take that approach you end up with something feeling a lot more custom
906. 01:07:57 And also a lot more like I'm not this oddball
907. 01:08:00 Who's managed to make this weird thing work?
908. 01:08:03 Right, right. I understand how the pieces fit together
909. 01:08:07 I'm still kind of even ever after going through this kind of questioning like how this works for me
910. 01:08:12 Like I said
911. 01:08:14 Uh, the two that I thought applied to me
912. 01:08:17 Were the Einstein approach and the slash approach? I do think you're right that the group hug approach
913. 01:08:23 There's an aspect of that too into what I do
914. 01:08:25 So now we're in this spot again
915. 01:08:27 Just like I was with the four tendencies where like I'm part this part that part the other thing
916. 01:08:31 Yeah
917. 01:08:34 Uh, the difference here being that Emily has given me permission to combine them
918. 01:08:38 Correct. Yeah, and that's so true. And I think that's why
919. 01:08:41 like in this case
920. 01:08:44 I can see a little bit of all of these in me
921. 01:08:46 You know, it's I don't normally do that when we have these particular scenarios
922. 01:08:52 I think that if if I have to focus on one
923. 01:08:54 the Einstein approach is probably
924. 01:08:57 the core of what I have a tendency to lean towards currently but
925. 01:09:02 Whenever she's referring to the different aspects that go into
926. 01:09:07 A multipotentialite comp like brain method
927. 01:09:11 If you will like you've got the ability to adapt to things quickly you can
928. 01:09:16 Translate things you can see into the future easily like these are all things. I'm really good at
929. 01:09:22 and have capitalized on in a lot of different arenas and
930. 01:09:26 and actively using that in a lot of different conversations I'm having right now
931. 01:09:32 So like these are things that I'm
932. 01:09:34 taking advantage of
933. 01:09:37 regularly
934. 01:09:39 And I I think that you know having having that collection of things put together
935. 01:09:44 And and being able to articulate those
936. 01:09:50 Makes it easier for me to comprehend what it is that my brain is trying to
937. 01:09:53 To do because because I have so many interests and if I see something new and shiny like I want to jump in and go use it
938. 01:10:01 but
939. 01:10:03 Having ways to explain why I'm doing that I feel like is valuable
940. 01:10:08 Does she need to put together these approaches and these work models in order to explain them to you
941. 01:10:14 And the different ways that it can come out. Yeah, probably I don't know how else you would
942. 01:10:20 Do that. I mean she could explain each individual
943. 01:10:22 components and tell you yeah, you can mix and match all these individual pieces
944. 01:10:26 But I feel like that's much harder to resonate with
945. 01:10:29 Yeah, like putting names to these and putting
946. 01:10:32 predefined collections together for you
947. 01:10:35 Makes it easier for you to
948. 01:10:38 Understand how these things can work together, which is why I think she she backs off a little bit from that at the end of this
949. 01:10:44 And says yeah, you can mix and match this
950. 01:10:48 I think that's why because she's trying to show you that you can pull these things apart. Yeah, no, that's that's fair
951. 01:10:55 I do wish she had taken a little bit of extra time
952. 01:10:59 to give some examples of how you could
953. 01:11:02 Combine these different approaches rather than try to give us all productivity advice
954. 01:11:10 Chapterate yes
955. 01:11:13 Yeah, I was doing good till part three came around
956. 01:11:17 So part three is common multi potentialite stumbling blocks and chapter eight is your personal productivity system
957. 01:11:23 And you and I are probably oddballs in that
958. 01:11:27 We've been in this space and studied this stuff for a long time
959. 01:11:30 So we have a totally different approach to this than the average person probably who's just discovered multi potentialitism
960. 01:11:37 And is all on board with how do I make this work? So I get that being a multi potentialite. Maybe there's
961. 01:11:44 an inherent need for this
962. 01:11:47 And maybe it's the missing component for a lot of people
963. 01:11:50 But I also think that she does not do a real great job
964. 01:11:54 of explaining what you need to know. So first of all, it's kind of
965. 01:11:58 Presented as
966. 01:12:01 This is everything you need to know she doesn't say that but that's kind of like I'm gonna hit all the that the different things
967. 01:12:08 She doesn't hit all the things right
968. 01:12:10 She mentions at the beginning that productivity is taking action that moves us towards our goals
969. 01:12:15 As I was reading this whole book. I was like goals are
970. 01:12:18 Are worthless. So I was kind of shocked when she's like, yeah, you need to set goals
971. 01:12:23 Basically and the productivity is the thing that helps you get to them
972. 01:12:26 I think the multi potentialite lifestyle is the biggest argument for just developing the habits
973. 01:12:33 I'm interested in this thing
974. 01:12:36 So i'm going to do this thing and i'm going to do it every day for either a little bit or a lot
975. 01:12:39 And i'm going to see where it goes and i'm not going to worry about the outcome goals are totally against that
976. 01:12:44 Goals are i'm going to develop this skill this level of proficiency and i'm going to do whatever it takes to achieve it
977. 01:12:49 I'm going to put in the 10 000 hours
978. 01:12:51 But she's basically the rest of the book saying no feel free to pull the plug anytime you want
979. 01:12:55 Great, great. So those two things are not compatible in my opinion
980. 01:12:59 Yeah, I wanted her to quit
981. 01:13:02 when she started in on this I
982. 01:13:04 It seems like books like this people just love to offer productivity advice
983. 01:13:09 And it makes me wonder if it's because they're like us coming from the productivity world
984. 01:13:14 And like oh, I discovered this whole thing and I want to talk about it
985. 01:13:18 But I really love talking about productivity
986. 01:13:20 So I need to put like a whole section about it so that I can share my views on that in there because it's something I love
987. 01:13:25 So
988. 01:13:26 I don't know if that's true totally made that up just now. Yeah, that's that's my perspective on it
989. 01:13:31 It's a little tiring
990. 01:13:34 To do that. I mean there are productivity system books like generally
991. 01:13:37 You know, even with analog joe, I've learned that there are a lot of people that just have their systems and they really don't want your advice on it
992. 01:13:44 Yeah, and when you pick up a book like this
993. 01:13:47 the intent is to learn
994. 01:13:50 how to manage multiple interests
995. 01:13:54 From a mindset stance
996. 01:13:58 Not a practical day-to-day stance. Yep. So I feel like it's stepping into the wrong
997. 01:14:04 Sector whenever she does that but everything a bolt about the multi potential light lifestyle is totally custom in my opinion
998. 01:14:13 and so if I were to pick a
999. 01:14:15 complementary
1000. 01:14:17 productivity book for this
1001. 01:14:19 Like this is the one you should read if you are a multi potential light and you're trying to figure out which aspects of productivity to apply
1002. 01:14:26 I would recommend make time by jake nap and john zeratski
1003. 01:14:30 I know you downgraded it when we did episode 100 and I get that
1004. 01:14:35 But I do think like the way they do it where they break it into like the 86 different components
1005. 01:14:40 You'll find some in there that you're like, yeah, totally this fits my mishmash of a career
1006. 01:14:45 And I can totally do this and others you'll be like, no, no
1007. 01:14:47 I'm not gonna that's not gonna work for me
1008. 01:14:49 Right or as if you take any of the other systems based books
1009. 01:14:52 You're going to run into some point in that system or not
1010. 01:14:55 That's not gonna work for me
1011. 01:14:56 Right, so having you know the the elements that you can combine and the way they present it very visual
1012. 01:15:02 I feel like that's a great place to start if you do need some help with this
1013. 01:15:05 If I were to summarize
1014. 01:15:08 Everything here it's focus on the thing you want to focus on when you want to focus on it
1015. 01:15:13 Yes, which I mean she gets into again very brief section, but she talks about flow
1016. 01:15:20 She talks about the three C's by leo babouta creating connecting consuming
1017. 01:15:26 You can tell she studied this stuff
1018. 01:15:28 But to try to condense it into kind of a system for multi potential lights
1019. 01:15:33 Which is how it comes across even if that's not what she she says she talks about pomodoro method
1020. 01:15:38 Getting yourself into a positive emotional state
1021. 01:15:40 When how to choose what you're working on when with priority projects setting limits on your tinkering time? I mean
1022. 01:15:49 A lot of this stuff is like nuggets of truth in there, but no matter how you would
1023. 01:15:55 Try to explain this it's never going to fit for everybody
1024. 01:15:58 And really like the thing you want to get good on your superpower if you're a multi potential light is developing your ability to focus
1025. 01:16:07 And when you are doing something you're doing it and you're not distracted by all the other stuff
1026. 01:16:11 And then when you're done with that thing you go to the next thing even if it's a totally different thing totally different domain
1027. 01:16:16 Yes, I agree with you, but I don't know that
1028. 01:16:20 Again you and I are oddballs. So I don't know how much of
1029. 01:16:27 our angst against
1030. 01:16:30 The productivity tips and tricks are valid part of me wonders
1031. 01:16:37 Who's the publisher?
1032. 01:16:38 Harper one part of me wonders if like the publishers and the editors push for this
1033. 01:16:43 Yeah, because I wonder if like the productivity tips and tricks thing sells books. It probably does is that true? I don't know
1034. 01:16:51 I mean, you know you and I are again. We're oddballs. We review these things. It's our job to
1035. 01:16:58 read these and try to distill them and and compare them to
1036. 01:17:05 over a hundred other books now and
1037. 01:17:08 show how
1038. 01:17:10 It's different than those or how it can help you having read all of those others like that's a lot of what we're doing
1039. 01:17:16 but
1040. 01:17:19 Not everyone comes from that perspective. Yeah, so I wonder I also think there's an element of
1041. 01:17:27 I'm writing a book. Oh my gosh. I need to get everything out
1042. 01:17:33 Yeah, whereas if you read like I'm I'm big into the leadership space
1043. 01:17:38 I like studying that stuff and so john Maxwell's kind of the name when it comes to leadership books
1044. 01:17:43 he's got
1045. 01:17:45 dozens of them
1046. 01:17:47 and
1047. 01:17:48 You read a john Maxwell book and he's sharing on a specific aspect of leadership
1048. 01:17:53 And he doesn't feel the need to bring up all the other stuff in like the ancillary
1049. 01:17:58 Sort of connected domains
1050. 01:18:01 Because he knows there's other books either they exist or he's going to write them that are going to speak to those things
1051. 01:18:07 Right
1052. 01:18:08 So
1053. 01:18:08 I get it where and i'm not saying this is exactly what happened
1054. 01:18:12 but maybe
1055. 01:18:13 Emily's writing this book about her story because she's a multi-potentialite. She's figuring this stuff
1056. 01:18:18 So she's sharing what she's learned
1057. 01:18:20 And then
1058. 01:18:22 She's like a big part of what allows me to do this is the stuff i've learned about productivity
1059. 01:18:26 People got to know this and so she tries to cram it in here
1060. 01:18:30 Right, but in my opinion the book would be better without that stuff in it
1061. 01:18:33 If you really want to talk about that then write a productivity book
1062. 01:18:37 And maybe she can't get a book deal for that book, you know, so which is why she included it in this one sure totally
1063. 01:18:42 Speculating at this point. I think she's actually a really good author really entertaining
1064. 01:18:45 We'll talk about right and talk about that when we get to style and rating
1065. 01:18:48 Yeah, but tacking it on here just feels a little bit disjointed
1066. 01:18:51 Yeah, and you know chat has a good point too. It could just be filler material like productivity stuff in general
1067. 01:18:58 Could be a good
1068. 01:19:00 Way to extend the length of the book in order to make it easier for the editors and publishers to say yes and and kick it out
1069. 01:19:07 Into the world. I don't know it. Uh, I don't know what to think about that part. You know, we see it a lot
1070. 01:19:13 It seems like there's a lot of them that have that on the topic of filler material
1071. 01:19:19 The next chapter which she combined you know fear of confidence and dealing with people who don't understand
1072. 01:19:26 There's three more chapters for your book go deep on those things sure. Yeah. Yeah, because these are really well written the
1073. 01:19:32 ailments of the internal critics and she talks about the guilt and the shame the discomfort of being a beginner again and again the fear of
1074. 01:19:39 Not being the best imposter syndrome
1075. 01:19:41 Again this part I feel like she's got a lot to say and as she's describing these different things. I'm like, yeah, I've been there
1076. 01:19:47 So i've kind of gone from loving the book to hating the book to loving it again
1077. 01:19:52 Right, right because it would be very easy for her to say okay. Let me deep dive
1078. 01:19:56 Two or three of these exactly but then throw one more
1079. 01:20:00 Right after those four approaches that shows how people mix and match them and there's your book
1080. 01:20:05 It actually might be longer than this because this actually isn't super long. Yeah, it's only 200 pages
1081. 01:20:10 Uh, i'm not sure how many words are in it, but most of the books are read tend to be like 250 plus
1082. 01:20:16 Round there and there's also a lot of visuals in this one
1083. 01:20:20 So I feel like this could have been a a longer book and incorporated those different aspects of it
1084. 01:20:27 I wish she would have gone deeper into the the internal and external critics
1085. 01:20:32 And then the last part of this chapter nine two is all about dealing with the question
1086. 01:20:37 Which she alluded to at the beginning. This is kind of part of her story someone asked her what do you do?
1087. 01:20:42 And she's like, I don't know what to say
1088. 01:20:43 Yeah, so I love that she includes a chapter at the end here about what do you do when someone asks you
1089. 01:20:50 What is it that you do? I do seven different things. That's what I do
1090. 01:20:53 Yeah, this maybe is worth unpacking a little bit because there's two different approaches one is a one liner that's easily
1091. 01:20:59 Understandable
1092. 01:21:01 I've talked to david sparks about this
1093. 01:21:03 And he doesn't try to explain to people that he's a podcaster and he makes screencasts
1094. 01:21:09 He's like I work in computers
1095. 01:21:11 Yes, and again like it's it depends on the room, you know, who's asking but that one
1096. 01:21:18 Eliminates a lot of that. Well, what is a podcast sort of a thing?
1097. 01:21:21 Yes
1098. 01:21:22 So I get that
1099. 01:21:23 The other one is the less conventional but more accurate answer that will likely lead to a conversation
1100. 01:21:28 So again
1101. 01:21:30 Read the room figure out is this someone you want to spend the next 10 minutes talking to to explain what it is that you actually do
1102. 01:21:37 If so use that approach
1103. 01:21:39 If not then just give them the the canned answer. Yep
1104. 01:21:42 Which I don't know why but every time someone asks me that and I'm looking for that canned answer
1105. 01:21:47 I feel like I can't find it
1106. 01:21:49 Sure
1107. 01:21:50 I feel like it catches me off guard every single time. I don't know why
1108. 01:21:53 I think I have a few that I rotate
1109. 01:21:56 Just
1110. 01:21:58 For fun like I don't have one like oh, I'm a sound engineer
1111. 01:22:01 I work in it. I'm a web developer like I I tend to just rotate them. I have a friend who is a police detective
1112. 01:22:09 Who tells people he's a garbage collector
1113. 01:22:14 Because he doesn't want to go through the whole oh, what do you do with he's like I don't want to like if I don't want to talk to him
1114. 01:22:20 I just tell him a garbage collector. Nobody wants to talk about that. Yep
1115. 01:22:23 Especially over dinner
1116. 01:22:25 Yeah, see I feel like every time I go through something like this I land on well, I'm a writer
1117. 01:22:30 Sure, but then in the moment I never think to use that. I don't know why I had like my brain just stops functioning
1118. 01:22:38 It's like oh, I do a lot of things
1119. 01:22:43 I don't know. I feel like I would say I was an online editor in your case. Yeah, yeah
1120. 01:22:47 That's probably more accurate. Maybe that's the thing is I just haven't nailed down the the one that really I feel good using
1121. 01:22:55 Another thing she mentions in here though, which I thought was really helpful is to use an umbrella title
1122. 01:23:02 And there's a formula for this. She uses I help blank do blank
1123. 01:23:06 And I think that's
1124. 01:23:09 Pretty genius that could save a lot of follow-up questions if you took the time to to think through that
1125. 01:23:14 But it only works in some scenarios
1126. 01:23:17 True true if you're doing woodworking and you're a sound engineer
1127. 01:23:20 You can't put those two together in that sentence
1128. 01:23:23 Yeah
1129. 01:23:25 You see my point i'm tempted to say well, there's got to be a way to do it
1130. 01:23:28 But I don't know where I would start with that one. Yeah throw web development on top of it and I wish you all the best
1131. 01:23:33 And we're only on three if you got six or seven good luck
1132. 01:23:39 Yeah, yeah, I make stop make people happy by creating things. There you go. I make sound waves. I make
1133. 01:23:44 wood stuff. I make
1134. 01:23:47 Websites like I make stuff. I'm a content creator
1135. 01:23:50 Oh
1136. 01:23:54 Too fun. All right, so that's chapter nine and then the last part of this the conclusion which I jotted on here
1137. 01:24:00 It's only a couple pages long
1138. 01:24:02 But I wanted to mention this
1139. 01:24:06 Because this is where she encourages you to lead with your multi-potentiality
1140. 01:24:11 Don't minimize your differences and feature the things that make you unique
1141. 01:24:17 And as I read through this I just mentioned you know the last section on what do you do having trouble answering
1142. 01:24:22 That question to realize that I tend to shy away from those things
1143. 01:24:27 Even though I 100%
1144. 01:24:30 Understand that that's what makes me me
1145. 01:24:34 And what brings value to the stuff that I do?
1146. 01:24:36 I still have trouble
1147. 01:24:40 being okay with that in public
1148. 01:24:42 And so there's probably a few people like me who need the the kick in the pants or the encouragement to
1149. 01:24:49 To not be afraid of that stuff
1150. 01:24:51 And for people who are considering this she asked the question
1151. 01:24:54 What would your life be like if you gave yourself permission to be everything that you want it to be?
1152. 01:24:58 Because I think that's another thing that if you're not a multi-potentiality that can be kind of scary like well
1153. 01:25:04 I have a desire to do this thing over here
1154. 01:25:05 But I just can't do it right now
1155. 01:25:07 And so you kick it down the kick the can down the road and maybe I'll get to that at some other point
1156. 01:25:11 You never do
1157. 01:25:13 And multi-potential the multi-potentiality lifestyle basically gives you permission to do those things now
1158. 01:25:20 Which I think ends up making you happier and more fulfilled
1159. 01:25:25 I would agree with that. This is kind of the transition I'm in so yes
1160. 01:25:30 Can't do all the things obviously you do have to to pick them
1161. 01:25:33 But I think if you take the multi-potentiality approach and you are intentional about the things that you choose
1162. 01:25:37 So if you follow these action items and you pair them down as she's going through different approaches
1163. 01:25:41 You will eventually get to that point where you are happy with the things that you are doing
1164. 01:25:45 Yeah, if you saw the tweets I put out to
1165. 01:25:48 Do the advertisements for when we were streaming today
1166. 01:25:51 You saw that it's like hey, I finally figured out how to do everything
1167. 01:25:56 Well, it's kind of of course a misnomer in that like yes, you can do a lot of different things
1168. 01:26:01 but you have to be very specific in how you do them and
1169. 01:26:04 like
1170. 01:26:06 Be aware of what the potential downsides of that are
1171. 01:26:08 So we that's the sort of thing we've talked about a lot on other books is like the downsides of heading down one path versus another
1172. 01:26:15 So I am grateful. She at least called it out. I'm a little bit curious
1173. 01:26:20 How this
1174. 01:26:22 Sits with me over time because just that title
1175. 01:26:25 How to be everything
1176. 01:26:28 brings to mind the quote by David Allen that
1177. 01:26:30 You can do anything, but you can't do everything
1178. 01:26:32 Correct. Yes, and there are limits to the number of things that you can do. So maybe it's just that
1179. 01:26:38 This book should have been titled how to be a multi-potentialite in the term how to be everything is a little bit more catchy
1180. 01:26:44 Which is why they used it but really is inaccurate in describing what she's talking about
1181. 01:26:49 But it's also quite possible that she's telling people yeah, just squeeze in one more thing
1182. 01:26:53 Squeeze in one more thing which that again, I think is kind of bad advice
1183. 01:26:56 so
1184. 01:26:58 but it's also
1185. 01:27:00 How to be everything not how to do everything exactly so there's there's a lot of nuance here
1186. 01:27:05 I think which you can miss if you just look at the title
1187. 01:27:08 Yeah, and you know, even like what I was putting out on twitter again is a distortion of that like I figured how to do everything
1188. 01:27:16 No, I know how to get everything off my task list. No, that's not what we're talking about here
1189. 01:27:21 this is like
1190. 01:27:24 Again to use these same examples like I love to be a sound engineer. I love to be a woodworker
1191. 01:27:30 I love to build websites. I love to be a web developer. I love to be someone who runs events online like these are things I like to be
1192. 01:27:37 But that does not mean I get to do
1193. 01:27:40 Absolutely everything that does not mean I'm the one building
1194. 01:27:46 A video system where I can send you quick videos in your email like I'm not building that I'm gonna use something else
1195. 01:27:51 so like
1196. 01:27:52 That is very different
1197. 01:27:54 In in the scheme of this and that's the thing i'm struggling with you know
1198. 01:27:59 There's this concept the curse of knowledge where if you've been around something long enough you know enough about something
1199. 01:28:05 You kind of forget what it's like to be a beginner
1200. 01:28:08 And so I think you and I both fall into that where we know we can't do all the things
1201. 01:28:14 And that's a point everybody reaches on their own personal productivity journey
1202. 01:28:18 Is picking the things that you're going to do being intentional about them cutting everything else. That's really not important
1203. 01:28:25 But is that what most people
1204. 01:28:28 most
1205. 01:28:29 Multi-potentialites who are picking up this book for the first time this is their entry into the productivity space
1206. 01:28:35 Are they going to understand that?
1207. 01:28:37 And are they going to understand that reading this book?
1208. 01:28:40 I'm not so sure sure that's not really
1209. 01:28:44 Emily's fault
1210. 01:28:46 but I think it's a
1211. 01:28:49 A trap it's a pitfall that you have to watch out for yeah, I think there's
1212. 01:28:53 There is potential
1213. 01:28:56 To use the same word
1214. 01:28:59 with
1215. 01:29:01 Showing these different approaches to having multiple interests
1216. 01:29:05 I think if you're brand new to like
1217. 01:29:10 Take a step back if you don't read books
1218. 01:29:14 And this is the first book you've picked up in years
1219. 01:29:16 This is going to hit you very differently than it will you and I exactly danger danger, so
1220. 01:29:22 But is it that's what I don't know because if this is the first book you've picked up because someone
1221. 01:29:28 On a listen to a bookworm podcast and said hey, this is something you should read if you have a ton of interests
1222. 01:29:35 And this would help you figure out how to make those work and they handed you this book and you read it
1223. 01:29:43 then
1224. 01:29:44 Would that be helpful or not? I feel like depending on where you're at in understanding yourself
1225. 01:29:50 It's going to hit you very differently like if you're someone who is very self-aware you're you're learning
1226. 01:29:57 Do you work well when you do a remote work?
1227. 01:29:59 Do you need to have side things in order to stay focused on your main job or do you feel like you leave jobs all the time?
1228. 01:30:05 And you're always in this mess of hiring and you can't figure out why you can't hold a job
1229. 01:30:08 Where are you in that?
1230. 01:30:11 Journey if you have gotten to where you understand some of yourself
1231. 01:30:16 And why some of that happens. I feel like this could be helpful. Yep. I agree, but if
1232. 01:30:22 You have no concept as to why they keep firing you after a year and a half
1233. 01:30:28 This is probably going to make it worse
1234. 01:30:31 Yeah, she doesn't make the disclaimer
1235. 01:30:34 But I feel like it should be there and you articulated it perfectly that this will help you be anything that you want
1236. 01:30:40 But it will not help you do all the things and do everything that you want
1237. 01:30:46 There's a difference there that
1238. 01:30:48 I'm not sure
1239. 01:30:51 The average person picking this up
1240. 01:30:53 Will make that distinction
1241. 01:30:55 Maybe i'm just being over sensitive because of them by that myself in the past, but
1242. 01:30:59 I see that as a potential pitfall and i'd be a little bit hesitant
1243. 01:31:05 recommending this
1244. 01:31:06 I'd have to know the person i'm recommending this to
1245. 01:31:08 Basically, yeah, yeah, because I wouldn't want them to fall into that
1246. 01:31:12 The easy way is I will recommend this to every single person if
1247. 01:31:17 You go listen to every single bookworm episode first
1248. 01:31:20 There you go
1249. 01:31:22 There's there's your cop out. You don't have to go read all bunch of books first school listen to bookworm. That's right
1250. 01:31:27 All right action items
1251. 01:31:30 Sure, you have one. I don't
1252. 01:31:32 I do she mentions
1253. 01:31:34 In this book the perfect day exercise, which is something that i've done
1254. 01:31:39 In the past and I think it's time I do it again
1255. 01:31:42 And I feel like this is going to be kind of interesting to go through this with a multi potential potential light lens
1256. 01:31:50 So basic idea here being to map out my
1257. 01:31:54 Perfect day and i'm even taking it even further like my perfect week
1258. 01:31:57 and
1259. 01:31:59 Identify like these are the things that are
1260. 01:32:02 in my perfect day and in my perfect week and how do they relate to the different dots
1261. 01:32:06 and uh
1262. 01:32:09 I was hoping by the end of this you would convince me I was one of these models and how
1263. 01:32:13 How that model is supported by the way i spend my time, but I don't think that that part is going to make it into this action item, so
1264. 01:32:22 That's okay
1265. 01:32:25 You do not have any action items correct
1266. 01:32:28 Don't because like this is the one the one that you wrote down this perfect day exercise is the one that i'm the most inclined to do
1267. 01:32:34 I have done this a handful of times because of michael hyatt
1268. 01:32:38 He has his ideal week thing that he promotes
1269. 01:32:40 Regularly and i've done that a handful of times in the past
1270. 01:32:43 And what I have learned is that my ideal week is different every week
1271. 01:32:47 Sure, that's my problem
1272. 01:32:50 And I can i've done like ideal days before perfect days like i get up and i do this and then i do that and then this and that
1273. 01:32:57 and
1274. 01:32:59 I have to have my days different day over day
1275. 01:33:01 So
1276. 01:33:03 The the trouble comes when like in order to do that. Well, I feel like I have to have a different day layout
1277. 01:33:10 After breakfast before breakfast is always this thing always the same but after breakfast that has to be different
1278. 01:33:16 In about 21 different ways like i have 21 days that are different before i'm ready to go back to
1279. 01:33:23 We got it. This is my problem and but I know this like I know this is a low tuesday variation 3.5
1280. 01:33:29 Correct. Yeah 3.5.673 like that's just the way this works rendition 42
1281. 01:33:36 This is this is my life
1282. 01:33:38 But I know this about myself. So yes, a lot of these exercises are interesting
1283. 01:33:43 Some of them i have gone through in order to figure out how many interests i have to have so maybe you could put that as an action item
1284. 01:33:48 And i've already got it done
1285. 01:33:50 But these are the yes, I don't have any other action items
1286. 01:33:54 I I think it's interesting that you started doing some of the action items that she gives you in the book and I
1287. 01:34:00 Was not interested in doing those at all sure. Yeah
1288. 01:34:04 That's a little bit alarming to me
1289. 01:34:07 from
1290. 01:34:08 The approach that this book is trying to take like I generally like this approach where you give people information and then you help them apply it
1291. 01:34:15 But I got a lot out of the information didn't want to go through any of the actually i'm she suggested though
1292. 01:34:21 Yeah, yeah
1293. 01:34:23 Which now we're getting into style and rating. So let's do this
1294. 01:34:26 I really enjoy her writing style
1295. 01:34:30 I feel like it's very approachable. It's
1296. 01:34:34 Quite humorous. It's pretty relaxed
1297. 01:34:38 In casual, but still you can she does it with an authoritative tone where you understand that she knows what she's
1298. 01:34:45 Talking about the place that kind of fell down was the productivity section not because she doesn't understand the stuff
1299. 01:34:50 But just because she's trying to condense
1300. 01:34:52 so much into a small area in my opinion if she had
1301. 01:34:56 Expanded that material over the breadth of an entire book
1302. 01:35:00 I think she would have had enough words again me totally projecting here
1303. 01:35:05 But i'm guessing based on her study that she has enough to say about those things that she could fill a book
1304. 01:35:09 And I feel like you kind of get ripped off when you try to
1305. 01:35:13 Pack it into to this one. So that's not even a knock on her style. Just the
1306. 01:35:17 Trying to do too much. I think with the book itself
1307. 01:35:20 But the whole description of the multi-potential lifestyle her stories
1308. 01:35:25 Describing like the anxiety that you go through and someone asks you what do you do?
1309. 01:35:29 I could totally relate to all of this stuff. I feel like she has real great visuals for the different models
1310. 01:35:35 Uh, do wish you would have kind of talked about how you could combine them together and give some examples
1311. 01:35:40 Maybe but in the models themselves she uses great stories people that she knows people that she talked to who are doing different things
1312. 01:35:48 So you walk away with that at least understanding the four different approaches
1313. 01:35:51 I feel like the last part of the book is maybe the best part in from my perspective on like the
1314. 01:35:58 the internal critic and
1315. 01:36:02 dealing with
1316. 01:36:04 People who don't understand what a multi-potential light is that that's chapter chapter nine
1317. 01:36:10 Uh, again, you know we talked about this, but I wish that section would have been bigger
1318. 01:36:13 I definitely want to hear what she has to say about that
1319. 01:36:16 Altogether, I'm glad that we read this book and I actually got more out of it than I thought I was going to
1320. 01:36:23 Every time my wife saw me reading this book. She's like, oh, there's that millennial book again
1321. 01:36:28 Yes, yes
1322. 01:36:31 But if you can get past that stigma, I feel like there's a lot of good stuff
1323. 01:36:37 In here, especially for people like us who don't feel satisfied just doing one thing
1324. 01:36:43 I feel like she does a good job of helping you understand
1325. 01:36:46 For people like like you and I how we're we're wired and what little things that we can do to
1326. 01:36:52 To make it more effective and more meaningful
1327. 01:36:54 I do think you got to be careful who you recommend this to
1328. 01:36:57 I don't think it's for everybody there are people who
1329. 01:37:03 Like they're just absolutely not going to resonate with anything in this book
1330. 01:37:07 But for the right person, this is a really good book. I'm going to write it at 4.0
1331. 01:37:12 and
1332. 01:37:15 Yeah, really the only
1333. 01:37:16 Negative thing I can say about it is that that personal productivity section. That's the only part that I really didn't want to read
1334. 01:37:22 Everything else was very engaging read through it fairly quickly
1335. 01:37:27 The action items I think even though I didn't want to do any of them were great because if you find yourself
1336. 01:37:33 In the right stage of life like that's totally the thing that can shine the light bulb on
1337. 01:37:36 Oh, yeah, that's what I should do right now
1338. 01:37:38 I feel like I've gone through those moments in my life where I'm like getting let go from my previous job
1339. 01:37:44 Uh, that would have been a great point for me to read this book and go through those action items
1340. 01:37:49 But I didn't have it then and now I'm kind of in a different situation where I'm happy with the different components that are here
1341. 01:37:54 So I'm not going to deconstruct things
1342. 01:37:56 But if you are unhappy with certain things then yeah, I think it's it's worth the effort and I think the action items themselves are
1343. 01:38:03 Are good like the ways to try out the different styles. So I'm not going to knock her for that
1344. 01:38:06 Sure. Don't think it's one of the most transformational impactful books I've ever read but what's pleasantly surprised by it. So 4.0. Yeah
1345. 01:38:14 I will concur that she is very good at putting stories and putting a book together
1346. 01:38:20 And at some point I start to wonder how much of that is editors and publishers than it is the authors
1347. 01:38:25 But you know there is that that side of it
1348. 01:38:28 But I think that the part about this that truly
1349. 01:38:32 impacted me, you know, we we get to a point where we say if we get one thing out of a book then it was worth reading
1350. 01:38:38 and in this particular case, I feel like putting terminology around
1351. 01:38:43 Having different interests and
1352. 01:38:46 Articulating that it's okay to operate that way
1353. 01:38:50 has been quite a
1354. 01:38:53 revelation to me
1355. 01:38:56 That's because I have had
1356. 01:38:58 a lot of failures in attempting to set up one thing that I'm going to be
1357. 01:39:02 Focusing on and it burns me
1358. 01:39:05 whenever I do that and
1359. 01:39:08 Although I need to find one thing as a core to use kind of the Einstein approach
1360. 01:39:15 I also know that it's important for me to maintain things in a diverse
1361. 01:39:20 aspect outside of that
1362. 01:39:23 so
1363. 01:39:24 just making that
1364. 01:39:27 Distinction in making that clear has been super helpful to me
1365. 01:39:30 So I'm very glad I've read it
1366. 01:39:33 I think it's a different story when it comes to me recommending it to other people
1367. 01:39:38 I think you you know, you said it very well and that like I'm going to be paying attention to who I recommend this to
1368. 01:39:44 I don't think this is just a blanket. You know, we have a lot of books that we just blanket say yes
1369. 01:39:48 You need to read this
1370. 01:39:50 And I don't think this is one of those
1371. 01:39:52 You know, I think that you've rated it
1372. 01:39:55 Right on with the 4.0. I'll join you there in that I I think that there's
1373. 01:40:01 There's a lot in it that you can glean
1374. 01:40:04 I I wanted her to stop
1375. 01:40:07 When she got to all the productivity stuff
1376. 01:40:10 Uh, how many times do we say that?
1377. 01:40:13 Like it seems like if you put that section in your book, you will not get a five-star book
1378. 01:40:18 Like it seems like that is just the way it goes
1379. 01:40:20 That's the way we operate. Yep. So I I think it has to be at 4.0
1380. 01:40:26 I think if you have a lot of productivity book background
1381. 01:40:29 This is potentially a good book for you
1382. 01:40:33 So I could see that being uh, something of
1383. 01:40:37 uh
1384. 01:40:39 A helpful thing to do
1385. 01:40:41 But
1386. 01:40:43 I'm not going to just blanket recommend it to people and just not right that's what I got me too
1387. 01:40:49 All right, so what's next uh next up is
1388. 01:40:55 the minimalist home
1389. 01:40:57 By joshua Becker
1390. 01:40:59 This is the second of josh's that we've read the more of less was the other one that we did
1391. 01:41:05 and uh
1392. 01:41:08 I'm very interested in this the tagline on it is a room by room guide to a decluttered refocused life. Yeah
1393. 01:41:14 I
1394. 01:41:15 received this in the mail mike and
1395. 01:41:18 I received it at the same time as I received how to be everything
1396. 01:41:23 and it was sitting on the table and I
1397. 01:41:26 took
1398. 01:41:27 I don't know. I think I took my backpack down to my office and I came back book was gone
1399. 01:41:32 Wait, what and I look over my wife had it on
1400. 01:41:36 the couch. She wasn't feeling super well
1401. 01:41:39 and she
1402. 01:41:41 Just asked me is like is it okay if I just have this for the day
1403. 01:41:44 Sure, why not? So I'm going about this is a saturday
1404. 01:41:49 so I'm going about things around the house and such and it got to be
1405. 01:41:53 lunchtime
1406. 01:41:56 And I asked her how the book was going she goes. It's okay. Like it's it's all right. Like there's some things I like about it
1407. 01:42:01 There's things I don't like about it. She was halfway through the book at that point
1408. 01:42:05 and then
1409. 01:42:07 the girls do like a nap slash rest time in the afternoon
1410. 01:42:10 and then
1411. 01:42:12 By the time they were done with rest time at like 2 30 or so
1412. 01:42:17 I went to check on Becky to make sure she didn't need anything and she was done with it. So
1413. 01:42:22 Okay, so my wife has read it and it's very curious for me to read it because she wants to talk about it
1414. 01:42:27 Right. She thinks that josh has some very terrible ideas and that there are some really cool ideas
1415. 01:42:32 So
1416. 01:42:33 I don't know what those are. She hasn't told me anything about it. So I don't know that'll be our next one
1417. 01:42:38 That's what we'll go through next time
1418. 01:42:40 All right sounds good
1419. 01:42:43 Now you mentioned michael hiat earlier
1420. 01:42:46 Yes, I actually got to interview him for focused sure so in an upcoming episode
1421. 01:42:52 We talked to michael hiat david and i do but one of the books that came out of that conversation
1422. 01:42:58 I mean you want to be around someone who reads a lot look at michael hiat
1423. 01:43:02 He's got a whole service called leader books where
1424. 01:43:05 Just giving you recommendations and study guides and implementation guides and stuff like that
1425. 01:43:10 But one of the books that he mentioned
1426. 01:43:13 Because he was talking about how his company has
1427. 01:43:16 Shifted doing things during the pandemic
1428. 01:43:19 They used to have a co-working space in nashville
1429. 01:43:22 And I had looked at like open job positions at michael hiat company
1430. 01:43:26 He had to be in nashville in order to join the team. Well, they're all remote now too
1431. 01:43:31 and uh talking to about the adjustments that he made and
1432. 01:43:34 He said that they kind of did an experiment working 30 hours a week versus working 40 hours a week as a company
1433. 01:43:40 And what they found is that 30 hours a week sometimes they're even more productive than they are when they're working 40 right right
1434. 01:43:47 So he mentioned this book shorter by alex suyong kim pang
1435. 01:43:51 Which I have one on my bookshelf that I read is a gap book called rest
1436. 01:43:56 Which I enjoyed uh this one is basically about how you don't need to work as long in order to get the things done
1437. 01:44:06 And uh, I feel like well number one i'm excited about it because michael hiat recommended it to me
1438. 01:44:11 I like this author already anyways, but I feel like this is a great follow-up to
1439. 01:44:15 The one that we just read on how to be everything. Yeah
1440. 01:44:19 So if you're going to try to become a multi-potential light feel like this is another one of those books that at least
1441. 01:44:26 Could be
1442. 01:44:29 Like a key piece to figuring out that whole puzzle sure
1443. 01:44:33 Yeah at one point I had a conversation with
1444. 01:44:36 uh
1445. 01:44:38 my
1446. 01:44:39 Specialist who's helped me with lime and mold and all of that and was just talking about my add with her
1447. 01:44:45 She recommended cutting my work day down by 25
1448. 01:44:49 To to force it because it's like, okay. I have so many things I want to get done
1449. 01:44:54 If I were to cut the amount of time that I give myself to get them done
1450. 01:44:59 I don't have time for distractions and it won't be an issue
1451. 01:45:01 I was like interesting, but I have never been able to get my employer to agree to that exactly
1452. 01:45:07 So so i'm hoping that this book is going to have a bunch of studies and numbers that
1453. 01:45:14 Potentially people could share and use as ammunition maybe toe
1454. 01:45:19 To fight for a shorter workday workweek, whatever there you go
1455. 01:45:24 There you go. Got any gap books. I do not at the moment
1456. 01:45:28 I feel like i'm getting back into a swing with reading though
1457. 01:45:32 So
1458. 01:45:33 If I do get one started, I will bring it up on the next episode cool
1459. 01:45:37 Awesome, you got any get books? I don't life
1460. 01:45:42 I think once I get through a season, but it's probably going to be through the end of the year before that season is completed
1461. 01:45:48 So sure, that's what I know at the moment
1462. 01:45:52 All right
1463. 01:45:53 Well, in that case we can wrap it up here. I want to thank everybody who is a
1464. 01:45:59 A paying member of the the bookworm club the premium members who are willing to contribute a couple bucks a month to help us
1465. 01:46:04 Keep the lights on really means a lot if you want to become a member you can do so at bookworm.fm/membership
1466. 01:46:13 And that will get you in addition to our undying gratitude
1467. 01:46:17 Access to the my map files that I take for the as I take notes on the the books that we we cover here
1468. 01:46:26 And a bookworm wallpaper and some gap book episodes that joe's recorded
1469. 01:46:31 Anything i'm missing. I don't think so
1470. 01:46:33 There's a lot of cool stuff for five bucks a month. So I know bookworm.fm/membership cool cool
1471. 01:46:40 Well, if you're reading along with us and
1472. 01:46:43 You would like to join us in learning how to cut your house down
1473. 01:46:47 You can pick up the minimalist home by joshua becker and we'll go through it with you in a couple weeks