107: The Motivation Code by Todd Henry

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1. 00:00:00 All right, so we got a bunch of follow-up this time
2. 00:00:03 Let's jump into this right away and I'll try to crank through this quick so that this doesn't become a follow-up episode
3. 00:00:09 And we do actually get to today's book
4. 00:00:11 There's some days. I think we need to do one of those
5. 00:00:13 It's just a follow-up of the follow-up
6. 00:00:16 Well, this one could definitely be that because I volunteered to do the brainwash last time and
7. 00:00:22 That is a full 10-day thing
8. 00:00:25 If you cut out the last two steps, which is what I did I?
9. 00:00:29 Got done recording that episode with you. I mentioned I'm gonna try to do one of these a day
10. 00:00:35 Basically the way that they wanted me to do it
11. 00:00:38 But I was not going to follow all their suggestions
12. 00:00:40 So I will go through quickly
13. 00:00:43 What I did for all of these and you can kind of tell me if you think I qualify for have following the brainwash program or not
14. 00:00:50 Okay
15. 00:00:52 Actually first thing that I did which made this really awesome by the way
16. 00:00:55 I put it all into Rome research
17. 00:00:57 So I have the page for the brainwash
18. 00:01:01 Process and then each of those bullets
19. 00:01:04 I just made do on a specific day and that made it really easy like when I opened it up in the morning like
20. 00:01:08 Oh, yeah, I gotta do that one today real quick
21. 00:01:10 You should know this I have a page in my bullet journal in the index even
22. 00:01:17 Titled what it would take to get me on Rome
23. 00:01:21 Really and I have started collecting the like what Rome would have to do
24. 00:01:27 To change their system that would get me to actually use the tool and I think this is gonna end up being a webinar at some point
25. 00:01:35 So I don't know if it's solid for a webinar, but it's a thing. I'm collecting thoughts. I'm we'll see this is awesome
26. 00:01:43 I can't wait to see this
27. 00:01:45 Alright well without further ado day one digital detox
28. 00:01:51 by far the biggest action item in brainwash
29. 00:01:55 They had a whole big list of things which I
30. 00:01:59 Condensed into a couple things that I actually did so number one
31. 00:02:04 I went through every single device and looked at my notifications
32. 00:02:08 So my Mac my iPad and my iPhone
33. 00:02:10 Notifications are completely off on my iPad that is my creating device
34. 00:02:14 I do not want to get anything on my iPad
35. 00:02:16 Okay, and I thought that I had notifications tuned pretty good on my Mac and my iPhone too, but I basically just
36. 00:02:24 Took a whole bunch of stuff out of notification center that was allowed and basically now only the essential stuff is there
37. 00:02:30 So even things like I mentioned last time I've got this Bluetooth water bottle that has like the little spinny thing on the bottom
38. 00:02:38 Yep, the lights glow and they tell you hey, it's time to drink water. That's actually worked really well
39. 00:02:43 That's relating to another part of the brainwash, but I like turned off the notifications for the phone on that even even though
40. 00:02:50 I want to know those things I just am relying now on the light going on on the water bottle
41. 00:02:54 So no more notifications
42. 00:02:57 I deleted probably over half of the apps that were on my phone
43. 00:03:01 interesting not because I ever used them I mean my phone
44. 00:03:06 Also on here I redesigned my home screen and I think I mentioned this a little bit last time
45. 00:03:12 But I kind of dial it dial it in even further
46. 00:03:14 so I've got my widgets in the
47. 00:03:18 The today view and here I've got my series suggestions
48. 00:03:23 I've got a couple mindfulness things so the meditation thing the mood notes a
49. 00:03:28 Little widget for how close I am to reaching my daily water intake goal my batteries
50. 00:03:33 Activity stuff
51. 00:03:36 Reader has a widget so that actually pulls in like a newsfeed of my RSS feeds which is the only thing I'm relying on for news anymore
52. 00:03:43 Which that alone has made a big impact. Yeah, then on the main screen. I've got some widget Smith stuff
53. 00:03:51 I've got like a text thing that says create and I consume
54. 00:03:54 So that's like the main thing I see when I open this like hey idiot
55. 00:03:57 Don't play in the infinity pools. Yep, and then on the other side
56. 00:04:01 I've got all of the the timery stuff which I know I can do more with this but it's basically the running timer
57. 00:04:08 Total log and then a bunch of pre-made timers get it everything else is in the app library
58. 00:04:15 but even with that I went through and deleted
59. 00:04:19 Over the half the apps that were on my my phone so it is really just called down now to the essential stuff
60. 00:04:25 same thing with the Mac with the notifications I
61. 00:04:29 Also did a little bit with the the applications but on the Mac that doesn't really
62. 00:04:34 Bug me so much. There's a lot of like one off. I use these every once in a while applications on my Mac and they're pretty much all
63. 00:04:40 Intentionality focus. I typically don't have like games and time-wacy stuff on my Mac, right?
64. 00:04:45 So I did all that stuff and then I watched the social dilemma
65. 00:04:49 And that just kind of like cemented all this stuff in my brain. Yep. Yep
66. 00:04:56 In the social dilemma by the way, there's a guy who wrote a book
67. 00:05:00 Ten reasons to quit social media right now or something and as they were talking about that guy
68. 00:05:05 I was ordering the book on Amazon. Yeah, and then they interviewed the guy and I was like, oh boy
69. 00:05:10 Did I make a mistake?
70. 00:05:13 I forget his name is a weird looking dude though
71. 00:05:17 Was he the guy that's got like the dreads the dreadlocks going on all the way down is that the guy you're talking about?
72. 00:05:25 Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Kind of the hippie looking dude
73. 00:05:27 Exactly
74. 00:05:29 Exactly. Yeah, I forget his for good his name, but I've got that book too as a get book hopefully sometime in the near future
75. 00:05:36 So that's digital detox. How'd I do?
76. 00:05:38 It sounds like you did pretty well as you were going through that I had to remember. Oh, yeah
77. 00:05:44 notifications come through on the Mac. I forgot about that because
78. 00:05:47 Way way way back when they introduced the notification center on the Mac
79. 00:05:52 I turned on the do not disturbed where it
80. 00:05:54 Starts at 11.59 and ends at midnight. So it is only allowing notifications for one minute in the middle of the night
81. 00:06:01 I completely forgot about notifications on so when you're talking about turning notifications on the Mac like wait
82. 00:06:08 What when did that when did that come out? Oh, right? I've turned all that off for years now
83. 00:06:13 There you go, completely forgot about it. But yes, it's fascinating
84. 00:06:17 I would love love love love for you to take some screenshots of these home screens these screens and cheer them
85. 00:06:22 That would be sweet if you could do that. I don't know if that's sensitive what you have there. Yeah, no
86. 00:06:28 There's nothing sensitive on there. I actually have some taken I'm working on a post for the sweet setup
87. 00:06:33 Which will walk through this stuff. Oh perfect. Um, so I'll probably publish that and then link to it
88. 00:06:38 Maybe not by the time this episode goes up, but I will be sharing that shortly. Yeah
89. 00:06:46 Okay, so the next day and these will go a lot quicker day to practicing empathy through gratitude and there are
90. 00:06:52 Two parts to this
91. 00:06:54 One is a true action item right down five things that I'm thankful for
92. 00:06:58 Which I did that again in
93. 00:07:00 Rome research
94. 00:07:02 Yeah, and then the other part is to thank someone every day. I've been trying to do this
95. 00:07:07 This one is hard for me. I don't really think about this very often
96. 00:07:11 So I know this is something that I need to keep coming back to but the big part of this which is
97. 00:07:16 Take action now right down the five things. I'm thankful for did that
98. 00:07:19 so I
99. 00:07:22 Think I'm two for two so far. Good job. Number three nature
100. 00:07:26 Therapy getting outside for at least 30 minutes a day. I have been doing this. I have been running outside
101. 00:07:32 And actually biking because it's not snowing quite yet. It's really close. It's really cold
102. 00:07:40 But I am still getting outside
103. 00:07:42 And I intend to keep doing this even through the winter. I'm sure there will be days when I'm just not feeling it because there's
104. 00:07:51 30 man hour mile an hour winds and it feels like negative 60 that does happen. Yep, but
105. 00:07:56 It's I want to make that the exception not the rule and I think I got the gear in order to do that. Yeah
106. 00:08:02 I saw that Isaac Smith was trying to go running
107. 00:08:05 I think it was yesterday morning and got up and realized it was super windy and decided nope not for me and I'm like
108. 00:08:12 Oh, come on. That's minor. Yeah, see I've been pushing through that stuff because there have been those days when it's like
109. 00:08:18 Don't want to go
110. 00:08:20 Part of one one thing that helps with this by the way is I was a path kind of by my house and I've been taking my dog lately
111. 00:08:26 She can make it about four miles. So when I go for a shorter run
112. 00:08:30 She comes with me. She gets so excited. Yeah getting ready to go
113. 00:08:36 She basically like watches me putting on my gear and
114. 00:08:38 Watches me stretching and she's kind of like five six feet away. Just staring at me
115. 00:08:43 You know and then when I walk over to where her leash is like she starts going nuts
116. 00:08:46 Yes, it's kind of like this question like do I get to come this time or do I not get to come my turn?
117. 00:08:51 I get to go
118. 00:08:52 Yeah, so you get your dog all excited you go outside
119. 00:08:56 She's pulling you off the porch then it's a lot easier to just follow through and do it even if it's windy
120. 00:09:02 Then if you know you step out there by yourself and you're like maybe I'll go back inside
121. 00:09:06 Sure. Yeah
122. 00:09:08 Nice so three five three doing good so far number four figuring out food
123. 00:09:13 What they had said was more the big things for me were eat more a single ingredient food and
124. 00:09:19 Have at least one meal per day be entirely plant-based
125. 00:09:22 okay, so
126. 00:09:24 I'm all in on the eating more single ingredient food and talk to Rachel about this
127. 00:09:30 She does all the grocery shopping. She's on board with it too
128. 00:09:33 So basically as she's doing the meal planning. This is something that we're trying to do
129. 00:09:37 The other one is where I have a little bit of an issue because I do intermittent fasting
130. 00:09:41 My first meal is at 11 and then I eat dinner at like five or six those are the only two meals I get in a day
131. 00:09:47 Okay, I'm also running or biking every single day
132. 00:09:51 So the thought of just eating a salad without any
133. 00:09:58 Meat in it is not very appealing to me
134. 00:10:01 So I have compromised and I have been basically eating like chicken salad
135. 00:10:06 Yeah, for at least one meal every single day basically this whole week and that I think
136. 00:10:12 Gets me 80% of the way the way there
137. 00:10:15 Because I typically would never eat a salad. I'm a meat and potatoes kind of guy
138. 00:10:24 So just applying the intentionality like hey
139. 00:10:28 One meal per day. This is what I'd like to eat and then Rachel's kind of doing the same thing
140. 00:10:33 Then you know that is that has actually worked
141. 00:10:37 I will allow you to either grant me the point for that one or not
142. 00:10:41 Mmm, I think I'll give it to you just because you're at least making the effort
143. 00:10:46 I think I would die if I went without a meal
144. 00:10:51 The idea of skipping a meal like every day is just like
145. 00:10:54 Exactly so then by well
146. 00:10:57 I've been doing it for years now and I like it because you're really focused in the morning
147. 00:11:02 You can crank out a bunch of writing and then about 11 o'clock
148. 00:11:05 You're like I am starving and at that point yep just eating a bunch of leaves is not appealing
149. 00:11:10 Well you if you compare that
150. 00:11:14 Every morning I have a slice of sourdough toast with peanut butter on it two eggs
151. 00:11:21 and
152. 00:11:23 Sardine and a half so I do eat sardines in the morning. I'm one of these weird guys who do that and that's my breakfast every morning so it's a fairly substantial
153. 00:11:31 breakfast and
154. 00:11:35 the concept of
155. 00:11:37 Skipping breakfast every morning. I know
156. 00:11:39 Yeah, that's that's fine, but because I do I
157. 00:11:45 Get to lunchtime, which is the obvious candidate for this meal because we're all going to eat dinner
158. 00:11:51 Together and the kids aren't gonna just eat salad right right I needed to modify it a little bit
159. 00:11:58 So I did and this seems to be working. I actually like this a lot the chat's not terribly thrilled with my sardine eating me either
160. 00:12:06 For what it's worth I can't do the ones with the bones and the skin on it
161. 00:12:13 I have to do the ones that have all that removed. That's what I have to do. It reminds me of cloudy with a chance of meatballs
162. 00:12:19 baby Brent
163. 00:12:22 Okay sardines aren't for everyone my apologies
164. 00:12:27 All right, so the next one is successful shut eye
165. 00:12:32 This has been something that we've talked about over and over on the podcast the topic of sleep
166. 00:12:36 I've kind of dialed this in but I did kind of review everything regarding my nighttime routine and my sleep setup for this
167. 00:12:43 And so just some of the things that we've done. We've got a weighted blanket on our bed. We've got blackout curtains. We've got
168. 00:12:51 Like white noise that we play every night. We've kind of got like our
169. 00:12:56 nighttime routine down where unless I am reading a book for bookworm and taking notes in my note on my iPhone
170. 00:13:05 I'm trying not to be looking at screens stuff like that. So I feel like this is this is pretty good
171. 00:13:13 Day six embracing exercise
172. 00:13:16 There's two parts to this one is the exercise itself 30 minutes of exercise per day. I've been nailing that since
173. 00:13:22 mid-March
174. 00:13:25 Yeah, yeah, but another part of this was exercising with others which I have never really done
175. 00:13:32 Other than a handful of times with my brother going for a run or bike grad or whatever sure
176. 00:13:38 But because of this brainwash I now have somebody from my church that I go running with every Saturday morning
177. 00:13:45 Okay, so I have made a routine now. We've done it
178. 00:13:50 three times I think
179. 00:13:53 We're gonna go again this this Saturday
180. 00:13:55 And yeah, so I've got a routine now of exercising with someone which is way more fun than doing it by yourself
181. 00:14:02 Yeah, and no, I'm not doing CrossFit. Sorry awful otter
182. 00:14:06 But the thing I just connected you know as I'm looking through this
183. 00:14:13 Because I didn't realize this when you were on day three the nature therapy side of it
184. 00:14:18 But you're doing two of these essentially in one step like it's duplicated with the exercise with the run outside
185. 00:14:26 You're kind of doubling up there, which is probably a smart way to do that kind of the way I implemented this though
186. 00:14:32 I was tackling that specific thing for that day. So on nature therapy day
187. 00:14:36 I made sure that I got outside and then obviously you want to turn it into a routine, right?
188. 00:14:40 But on day three basically I was making sure I got outside
189. 00:14:43 day six
190. 00:14:46 Embracing exercise this happened to land on a Saturday
191. 00:14:48 So I made sure that I lined up this running thing and then we've kind of figured out now
192. 00:14:54 In the last couple days that yeah, we want to keep this going even through the winter, so nice
193. 00:15:00 And then as I'm looking at day seven here the title that you wrote down is Medicaid with medication. Oh, sorry meditation
194. 00:15:07 It's only reason I had to point it out
195. 00:15:11 Yep, I was making this outline last night after not sleeping super great the night before
196. 00:15:19 Even though I had dialed in my successful shut. I still some some days. It just it doesn't happen. Yep
197. 00:15:26 Yep, it does have so yes, you found my typo I
198. 00:15:30 Started this with headspace because I have always liked headspace. I've got the subscription already yada yada yada
199. 00:15:38 However in redesigning my home screen I had the headspace widget set up on my today view and
200. 00:15:44 You cannot customize that widget it just takes you to the stupid daily video that they do
201. 00:15:51 That's not what I want I want today's headspace or whatever they call it right
202. 00:15:55 Whatever and you can't go straight to that it loads the video and you got to flip through like the five different screens and
203. 00:16:01 Like well, this is annoying. I wonder if 10% happier
204. 00:16:05 Links straight to the the daily meditation, which it does yep, so I downloaded that soon as I downloaded it
205. 00:16:11 I got an offer to resubscribe at 40% offer something for the the year nice so even though I have the headspace
206. 00:16:20 subscription I felt like I could justify giving 10% happier a shot and I've done that now the last four days
207. 00:16:28 Five days four days. Okay, I like it a lot the one thing I don't like about 10% happier is that sometimes the daily meditations
208. 00:16:35 Begin at 10 minutes, which I would prefer at least at the beginning a shorter interval
209. 00:16:41 I the five minute is kind of the sweet spot for me, but yep, oh well. Yeah, I know that they do that
210. 00:16:48 intentionally
211. 00:16:49 Like they I know that they'd spent quite a bit of time
212. 00:16:52 Talking about that because it was one of the meditations where they do like a coaching thing
213. 00:16:57 And then they get into the actual guided meditation on most of those yep
214. 00:17:01 And there was one of them that I went through where Dan Harris was talking about
215. 00:17:05 Designing the app and how they decided to do certain things
216. 00:17:10 I wish I could remember which one of those it was and he called out like we thought about making it
217. 00:17:16 You be able to choose the number of minutes you wanted to
218. 00:17:19 Do this but then they decided they were gonna put up this minimum of 10
219. 00:17:23 Because they were seeing the research shows that that's the minimum you need to do
220. 00:17:28 To get the benefit so sure
221. 00:17:31 You know it doesn't really help people when they're
222. 00:17:34 Trying to get into it at the very very beginning trying to do something shorter just to build the habit
223. 00:17:40 It doesn't really help in that scenario. So that that's my complaint with it actually, you know
224. 00:17:44 I've liked 10% for a long time
225. 00:17:47 But I don't like that they forced that restriction
226. 00:17:50 I'm fine with it now
227. 00:17:51 But if you were just starting I think it makes a little bit harder to get into it
228. 00:17:55 I concur but that's okay
229. 00:17:57 I've been able to stick with it and I do like the meditations that they have in there. They are very
230. 00:18:03 Non-spiritual which maybe sounds kind of weird, but that's what I want from my meditation app
231. 00:18:10 I just want to train my brain. I want I want no one's opinion about where this should be going spiritually
232. 00:18:15 Let me take care of that side
233. 00:18:17 right
234. 00:18:19 right, it's like the
235. 00:18:21 You know that you kind of have to be particular with your terms when you're using
236. 00:18:25 meditation
237. 00:18:26 Versus mindfulness versus yeah transcendental meditation like you got to be careful when you use those three because you know
238. 00:18:33 They are different so exactly and then the last one day eight strong bonds spend at least 10 minutes
239. 00:18:39 connecting
240. 00:18:41 This one has been hard for me to the day that this happened. I was able to do this. I
241. 00:18:45 actually taught my
242. 00:18:48 oldest son how to time block
243. 00:18:51 nice it was kind of a spontaneous thing and
244. 00:18:55 He was working on his school work and I don't know how it came up
245. 00:19:00 But I'm like hey you want me to show you how to do this?
246. 00:19:02 Yeah, so took about 10 minutes
247. 00:19:04 It was just him and him and I at the kitchen table everybody else was downstairs doing their school work already
248. 00:19:10 So that was that was pretty cool
249. 00:19:13 But I have a real hard time making this a habit
250. 00:19:16 Just like the other one that was hard for me is reaching out to somebody and thanking them every day. Yeah, I
251. 00:19:23 Don't know why this is so hard for me, but it is so I don't know. I feel like
252. 00:19:29 Technically I completed this one, but I don't feel like I really did if that makes any sense sure I got more work to do here
253. 00:19:37 Yeah, and that's fair, but that's my brain wash
254. 00:19:40 Do you feel clean so clean?
255. 00:19:42 So so then the question is you know day nine and ten are reflect on it and set up the next whatever
256. 00:19:49 Which you didn't talk about so?
257. 00:19:52 reflecting on those eight days as part of that
258. 00:19:56 do you feel like
259. 00:19:59 Going through those eight days you came out on the other end
260. 00:20:03 much better and better prepared to build new routines or do you feel like it was just
261. 00:20:09 enacting
262. 00:20:11 Things that you've been doing in the past and it just gave you an excuse to focus on one of the
263. 00:20:16 Already existing habits that you have does that make sense? Yeah, I feel like it helped me dial in some things and some of the specifics that they had shared
264. 00:20:26 Kind of brought some ideas for things that I would not have come up with myself sure like the
265. 00:20:34 Salad once a day, you know, I can see myself doing that for the foreseeable future and
266. 00:20:40 I think that long term that will have some health benefits for me. I
267. 00:20:46 Don't think you know, you know, you notice that the first day that you have salad. Yes
268. 00:20:52 But it's also kind of been turned into a little mini habit already and
269. 00:20:58 That happened quicker than I thought it was was going to show really all I needed was like a
270. 00:21:04 Little bit of a kick in the pants to to get that going. I did not yeah
271. 00:21:09 I didn't do like the the full-on retrospective now plan how you're gonna continue to do this stuff because I
272. 00:21:16 Wanted to just basically try what they were telling me to do and then from there identify
273. 00:21:20 What if anything I need to modify in terms of adjustments?
274. 00:21:24 I think the thing that I take away from this is that there is some stuff that I've dialed in there's some stuff that
275. 00:21:29 I was doing well already before like the running and exercising
276. 00:21:33 There's some stuff that it's refined like the running with other people which I want to continue to do
277. 00:21:38 There's some stuff that they had me go through once which are going to provide a benefit like deleting all the apps and turning off all the
278. 00:21:45 qualifications on my devices yep, and then there's stuff that like it's obviously this is an area where I need to work on like
279. 00:21:52 Thinking somebody every day and developing the strong bonds and I'm not quite sure what I want to do with those yet
280. 00:21:58 Sure, I don't want to commit to like yeah, I'm gonna call somebody every single day
281. 00:22:02 I guess you know I should probably have like a follow-up follow-up item
282. 00:22:08 I'm like what did you finally decide with this but I'm kind of mulling this over right now and trying to figure out
283. 00:22:15 Where this fits for me sure but overall I'm glad that I did it it definitely was a lot of work
284. 00:22:21 but took on for the team and
285. 00:22:24 Glad I got through it. Good job. Proud of you. I was not about to do this
286. 00:22:29 I'm grateful that one of us decided to do it so that we could figure out and have an opinion on whether or not
287. 00:22:36 It was worthwhile or not so good job
288. 00:22:39 You could say you weren't motivated to do a brainwash you could say I was very unmotivated to do a brainwash
289. 00:22:46 That's definitely true and now I know why
290. 00:22:49 Yes, that leads us to today's book which is the motivation code by Todd Henry a
291. 00:22:57 Book about motivation, which is not at all what I thought it was
292. 00:23:01 There are three parts to this because if you're going to write a productivity book you must have three parts
293. 00:23:09 Yes, part one is what drives you part two is all of the motivational themes and part three is now
294. 00:23:16 What that is the application of what he's talking about?
295. 00:23:19 Part one what drives you is probably where the discussion is going to happen
296. 00:23:25 There is an assessment that he gives you access to in this section and then part two
297. 00:23:30 That's basically a description of all of the different 27 areas that you may be identified as in the assessment
298. 00:23:38 part three where you actually apply what you've learned and
299. 00:23:41 Not a whole lot there the majority of this book is these motivational themes which he breaks down into families
300. 00:23:48 talks about the the good traits the shadow side traits the
301. 00:23:53 Ways to work with someone who is this type of thing and the situations in which they they thrive
302. 00:24:00 so I
303. 00:24:02 think we should talk a little bit about this first part and then maybe dive in
304. 00:24:07 to the
305. 00:24:09 Results of the assessments after given just a real brief overview of the different families definitely not going into all 27
306. 00:24:17 Of the possibilities, but there's some commonalities between these families
307. 00:24:21 Which maybe would be helpful before we share our stuff and what families they fall into sure I
308. 00:24:26 will say this is as I was preparing for
309. 00:24:32 Today's recording this the way this is all set up and there's so many different potential motivators here
310. 00:24:38 I'm I'm planning to just reference each thing in the book as we go through this and normally don't do that
311. 00:24:44 Like I normally flip through and look at one or two things here and there
312. 00:24:48 But in this particular case
313. 00:24:50 I'm very likely to need this thing open the whole time and it's because there's so many little tiny details about
314. 00:24:58 Each one of them. This is one of these books. That's crazy dense
315. 00:25:01 As far as the information for the number of words on in the book so
316. 00:25:08 You probably have an upper hand on me now because you've got all this in your mind node file now
317. 00:25:14 I'm not gonna rewrite all this stuff down. It's in the book. I'm just gonna keep the book open
318. 00:25:20 So just be aware if you hear me flipping pages, that's what I'm doing
319. 00:25:24 well that therein lies a tale because that is how I take notes and
320. 00:25:29 That resulted in a crap ton of notes
321. 00:25:34 I figured I
322. 00:25:37 Wonder if this was gonna be one of the massive mind node files you've got
323. 00:25:41 This one took forever for me to get through because of all these stupid notes
324. 00:25:51 So then the question is did you spend more time building your mind node file than reading the book? Oh?
325. 00:25:56 Absolutely. Yeah for sure
326. 00:25:59 Nice, which is kind of what bugged me about this and why I entered it the way I did
327. 00:26:05 This is totally not the right format for
328. 00:26:08 For discussing this book to be honest. This is like the strengths finder in a lot of ways
329. 00:26:16 Where you buy the strengths finder book and it's a summary of all of the different strengths
330. 00:26:21 But you don't need to know all of the different strengths
331. 00:26:24 You need to know what yours are and what you're gonna do about them
332. 00:26:28 So if you were to pick up this book and you're thinking how do I get the maximum?
333. 00:26:33 Benefit from this you read the first 20 pages you take the assessment
334. 00:26:39 You read your top three sections not all 27 and then you read the end. Yes
335. 00:26:45 So everybody else but Mike gets through this very quickly
336. 00:26:49 But because I am dedicated to the bookworm club members
337. 00:26:56 And I'm thinking in the back of my head they're gonna be expecting a mind node file. You got to make it. I
338. 00:27:02 Made it
339. 00:27:05 Good for you. I'm proud of you Mike. I would not like I
340. 00:27:09 Cuz I totally I wanted to give up. I wanted to just mail it in. I honestly did there's so much. I did not
341. 00:27:16 skim this I will say that
342. 00:27:19 However, I read the parts that don't apply to me very quickly in comparison to the parts that apply to me
343. 00:27:25 Like I was running through them very quickly and it's like yeah, mm. Yeah, I get it. That's not me. Oh
344. 00:27:31 That one is
345. 00:27:33 Huh, I wonder if that's hmm. Yes, so
346. 00:27:38 I don't envy you in this case. Oh
347. 00:27:40 No, I don't envy me either quick side note cuz the chat's asking
348. 00:27:46 The first part that you're that we're getting ready to get into what drives you you go through that then you take the assessment
349. 00:27:54 the assessment is online yep, and
350. 00:27:56 We should point out that there's a free version of that
351. 00:28:00 Which is what I took and it sounds like you took one of the paid versions of it to get the full spectrum and
352. 00:28:08 As we were talking beforehand, I may want to go do the bigger one now
353. 00:28:13 Yeah, so we'll talk about those differences when we get to our results
354. 00:28:17 But yeah, there is a free one motivation code comm slash free. I think is the free one
355. 00:28:22 So what drives you real quickly here?
356. 00:28:25 This is where they discussed what I thought this book was going to be about yeah, which is like why motivation matters
357. 00:28:34 And chapter one specifically unique motivation is the missing key
358. 00:28:38 They kind of talk about how a lot of people in fact only 33% is the statistic that they shared are actually engaged at work
359. 00:28:47 Which means two-thirds of the workforce are not engaged
360. 00:28:51 But I forget the scale that they use for that
361. 00:28:54 But there's basically two different categories that fall into that 33% so it is like everything below a certain threshold
362. 00:29:00 Which is kind of terrifying when you think about it
363. 00:29:03 I had to go get tested for covid yesterday because I was exposed and I'm looking at the people behind the glass
364. 00:29:09 And you can just tell they do not want to be there and I'm like I
365. 00:29:13 Wish you were engaged in your work right now because I don't want to be here either
366. 00:29:17 Yes
367. 00:29:20 But I know they're volunteers and yeah like that was an interesting experience. Yep
368. 00:29:25 It's okay. So this is a point that's I think worth exploring here
369. 00:29:29 Just a little bit because I actually had to do a covid test yesterday as well. We didn't talk about this
370. 00:29:34 But no we were not together. I did the mail-in version of this so you go online and they send it to you and
371. 00:29:42 I had to sit in a zoom waiting room and then they come on and they walk you through the whole thing
372. 00:29:48 And then you ship it back to them via UPS
373. 00:29:50 but the gal that I
374. 00:29:54 Had it had to do that with was like
375. 00:29:57 Super energetic and bubbly and it's like oh, yeah
376. 00:30:01 All you got to do is and then she walked me through the whole thing's like yep, and then you do this and then like
377. 00:30:05 okay, there's there's a line here of
378. 00:30:09 being good at your job and being willing to help and
379. 00:30:14 Holy cow, you're so bubbly you're gonna drive me nuts like
380. 00:30:18 There's a line there
381. 00:30:21 Sometimes you need to scale that back. Well, I can tell you from my experience. There were no bubbles in the room. Yeah
382. 00:30:28 So it's just it's just weird. I mean
383. 00:30:32 There's so much
384. 00:30:34 Fear attached to everything
385. 00:30:36 Covid yeah, so you walk in there, and it's just the whole
386. 00:30:40 room just feels
387. 00:30:43 somber yeah exactly
388. 00:30:45 so
389. 00:30:47 Interesting experience, but anyways like I had a real-life example of people who were not engaged or actively
390. 00:30:53 Disengaged with their job because they did not want to be there right so that's like why this stuff matters is
391. 00:31:00 that a lot of people aren't engaged with their work and he kind of lays out the
392. 00:31:06 Argument that the reason that they're not is that they're not motivated. Why aren't they motivated?
393. 00:31:11 It's because maybe their work is trying to motivate them with things that aren't motivating to them as an individual
394. 00:31:20 That's where he presents this idea of the motivation code understanding your top three motivators
395. 00:31:25 And then kind of jumping to the end what you want to do is build your work life around these motivators
396. 00:31:31 So that you're motivated to do your work makes sense, right? So far so good the one thing
397. 00:31:36 I want to call it from this section which I really appreciated is that all the science behind
398. 00:31:41 The assessment that they outline yep is actually online
399. 00:31:45 So if you want the science you can go get it, but if you don't you don't even have to see it yep
400. 00:31:50 It doesn't even have to be in the book. We don't have to print it
401. 00:31:52 Yep, it made me wonder if they did that so that they could update the science
402. 00:31:56 Over time yeah, I'm sure that that's a that's a piece of it that would make a lot of sense
403. 00:32:03 The other problem with this though is that there is not a whole lot of science. Yeah
404. 00:32:09 Yes, it's like a 12 page PDF or something. I looked it up last night
405. 00:32:13 now also keep in mind my background here working with a family business that is an assessment company and
406. 00:32:21 the amount of research that goes into the assessments that we've done
407. 00:32:27 Is pretty staggering that's not probably fair to hold other people to that?
408. 00:32:34 Standard but just for comparison
409. 00:32:38 The core assessment in the emotional intelligence stuff which I had you go through when we did the emotional intelligence book
410. 00:32:44 Yep, that single assessment
411. 00:32:46 Has a hundred and forty doctoral level papers and books that have been written on it
412. 00:32:52 And it has been used over eight and a half million times sure
413. 00:32:57 This one was like yeah, this one study talked about this thing and this other one said that thing the end
414. 00:33:02 So so in your mind you're like so is this thing valid?
415. 00:33:07 Yeah, exactly your mind now
416. 00:33:09 I don't think the average person would have any questions about the validity of this and I understand it takes time to develop
417. 00:33:16 The science behind it and I feel like that's kind of the stage that they're in right now
418. 00:33:21 Yeah, they've got their hypothesis
419. 00:33:23 They've shared what they have in this book based on the science and the research that they've already done
420. 00:33:27 But I feel like this is going to evolve and grow over time and maybe it ends up being something like the Strengths Finder
421. 00:33:34 Where this is just like another one of those assessments that everybody's heard about
422. 00:33:37 I feel like that's where Todd Henry wants it to get to right. I'm not sure it will though
423. 00:33:41 Yeah, I don't know having gone through it and just the little
424. 00:33:45 Free version that I went through has me
425. 00:33:48 Rethinking a lot of things at the moment. It's like wait what so I have lots of questions
426. 00:33:54 to
427. 00:33:56 Send to myself on this
428. 00:33:59 So I'm curious when we get to the end of this how action items pan out
429. 00:34:05 All right, I think that's all I really want to talk about in that first section
430. 00:34:09 He talks about the motivational families, which we'll go over in a second here
431. 00:34:15 He also talks about the process for the assessment, which is a little bit different
432. 00:34:19 You have to create these achievement stories and you write
433. 00:34:24 Basically three different stories in the assessment and then after you've written those stories you answer all the questions on a scale of one to ten
434. 00:34:32 Which by the way, I'm not sure what device you did the sign if you did it on your phone
435. 00:34:36 It's very easy to miss the not applicable button. Oh, I did it on my Mac. So okay
436. 00:34:43 I didn't have that issue because it was very obvious
437. 00:34:45 It was because on the Mac it showed the full scale and then at the far right it had the in a yes
438. 00:34:50 Yep button, so it's pretty obvious when I went through it
439. 00:34:53 So I take it that wasn't the case that was not the case when I took the free one
440. 00:34:58 I just did the one to ten and then when I did the paid one
441. 00:35:02 I did it on my Mac and I saw the the not applicable sure so I got slightly different results both times
442. 00:35:08 But I feel like the full one is actually more accurate and they are actually pretty similar
443. 00:35:13 Okay, so I haven't gone through it. I feel like the results are are valid
444. 00:35:18 You know it's not something that was like off the wall like huh. I don't understand that one sure
445. 00:35:24 Everything they were telling me about myself was like yeah, I could see that
446. 00:35:27 Yeah, yeah, no, I has me curious
447. 00:35:30 That's for sure because I again
448. 00:35:31 I just did the free one and but still it took a good 20 30 minutes
449. 00:35:36 Yep
450. 00:35:36 I think it was closer to 30 minutes to go through that because you do you have to come up with the story and they even prep you
451. 00:35:41 You're gonna have to come up with three stories ahead of time so
452. 00:35:44 Start writing things down before you get to this
453. 00:35:47 So it's actually longer than that if you started accounting for how much time you had to spend coming up with what these stories are
454. 00:35:53 Yep, do you want to share any of your stories?
455. 00:35:57 I I was trying to use some very practical things
456. 00:36:00 for it
457. 00:36:02 I was thinking back to
458. 00:36:04 Like some things that I because what they wanted to know like what those stories are they're looking for are which
459. 00:36:10 times in your history have you felt the most satisfied with your activity in some form and
460. 00:36:19 One of them that I wrote down was when we did our big worship in the parking lot
461. 00:36:26 event, you know, we were full lockdown at the time and we did a drive-in event
462. 00:36:31 Outside in the parking lot that was also live streamed with big screen and stuff
463. 00:36:38 so I put that down because I
464. 00:36:40 had to pull together
465. 00:36:42 Four different teams and it took a ton of work to do but when it was all said and done
466. 00:36:48 I was in a spot was like yes, we did a solid job like that was one of the more
467. 00:36:54 fulfilling things I've done but I'm a tech
468. 00:36:57 Everybody kept saying oh, that would be so stressful. I was like I could do this for a couple more hours. I'm good like
469. 00:37:03 You know, let's let's just run all of this
470. 00:37:06 super
471. 00:37:08 Complicated technology for multiple hours and try to maintain my focus on five different things at the same time
472. 00:37:13 I'm good for a few hours like that. So
473. 00:37:15 Anyway, that was the main one that I was using for it the three that I used were
474. 00:37:22 Self-publishing my first book. Yeah, I actually included publishing a hundred plus episodes of bookworm
475. 00:37:28 Got it. Yeah, and
476. 00:37:31 running and finishing my first half marathon and
477. 00:37:35 Several actually since then sure um
478. 00:37:38 So those were the three that I used and the three that you pick
479. 00:37:42 They do ask you not just to write the stories but at the end of the assessment you got to rank them
480. 00:37:48 Like which one was the most important to you, which is kind of interesting. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, cool
481. 00:37:54 So let's real quickly go through part two here the motivation themes and the different families
482. 00:37:59 Like I said, we're not going to go through all of the different motivations because there are 27 of them
483. 00:38:05 We wouldn't be able to talk about any of them in depth and give them the attention they deserve
484. 00:38:10 Uh, so we'll go through the the families and then our results and maybe talk about the specific ones that we got assigned
485. 00:38:17 That we resonate with sure. Yep
486. 00:38:19 So the first one's the visionary family and some of the common characteristics with this you're motivated to make an impact
487. 00:38:26 According to what's possible or ideal your field to turn ideas into reality
488. 00:38:30 Especially when they're the when you are the only one who thinks it's possible
489. 00:38:33 You're able to spot the potential and your future focused sometimes at the expense of the present
490. 00:38:40 And then at the end of this chapter they've got the summary where you form your collective you pause and clarify take time to dream mind your ideals
491. 00:38:47 Be a supporter not a detractor anything else about the visionary family. I don't know about the visionary
492. 00:38:53 I just want to point out that there's
493. 00:38:55 You know whenever
494. 00:38:57 Todd goes through each of these
495. 00:39:00 Especially with the subsets. So in this case one of those would be
496. 00:39:05 You've got to achieve potential make an impact and experience the ideal
497. 00:39:09 Those are the three like subtypes underneath of this and as he goes through those he'll point out like these are your strengths
498. 00:39:16 But here's the shadow side like this is the stuff behind the scenes. These are the potential downfalls of this
499. 00:39:21 I really really appreciated that that it wasn't just here's what you're good at it's like
500. 00:39:26 Yeah, but that means I suck at this
501. 00:39:29 Yep, he at least points that out and shows, you know
502. 00:39:33 If you're working with someone with this type of motivation, here's what you should do like here's how you help them
503. 00:39:39 So I really appreciated that for sure
504. 00:39:42 But yes, as far as like the achiever or not achiever that's the next one the visionary family
505. 00:39:46 When I was reading through this
506. 00:39:49 I'm not gonna say that I'll wait till later
507. 00:39:52 teaser
508. 00:39:54 I think you just foreshadowed maybe something from your results, but possibly
509. 00:39:59 Possibly because people call me a visionary regularly. So all right. There was a lot in this that I was like oh, that's interesting
510. 00:40:06 Yes, we'll come back to that. Cool. So the next one's the achiever family common characteristics here
511. 00:40:11 Driven to persevere through challenges motivated to overcome obstacles and oppose an enemy
512. 00:40:15 You want to complete tasks even at the expense of eating and sleeping and
513. 00:40:19 Engaged when making progress
514. 00:40:22 And then at the end the summary be aware of your stress level
515. 00:40:25 As you tend to take on too much at once maintain long-term goals work on them patiently
516. 00:40:30 Don't allow your ambition to outpace your experience bring others along as you pursue big
517. 00:40:34 Impressive projects. So the four here meet the challenge
518. 00:40:39 It's what it sounds like there's a challenge that's put before you you want to overcome that
519. 00:40:43 Or you want to meet that like achieve that thing thus the achiever family overcome. That's why I had to change my word there
520. 00:40:50 Overcome is when you have an obstacle that's put in your way and you want to beat that obstacle
521. 00:40:56 So it's similar but not quite the same bring to completion is just that like you have
522. 00:41:00 kind of a mission that's
523. 00:41:03 That you've likely given yourself and you like completing projects
524. 00:41:07 You're not necessarily one who starts them, but you like to complete them
525. 00:41:09 And then advancing is like you you're given something that exists you find something that's off with it and then you go and achieve
526. 00:41:17 Advancing it forward. So all of those can have flavors and like you could easily float from one to the other
527. 00:41:24 That's why he groups these in families. Yep. So just know like there are these very tiny subtleties that he
528. 00:41:31 Points out, but it's easy to move from from one to the other for sure. Cool
529. 00:41:37 The next one is the team player family the common characteristics they derive energy from working with others toward a common goal
530. 00:41:43 They're able to anticipate and meet the needs of others
531. 00:41:45 They're willing to pick up extra work to help the team accomplish its objectives
532. 00:41:49 They want to be part of something bigger than themselves or part of an elite group
533. 00:41:53 And the summary they've got a clear set of personal values that guide your decisions
534. 00:41:57 You monitor your you should monitor your true stress levels
535. 00:42:00 You should be mindful of how the opinions of others might be influencing your mood
536. 00:42:04 And you should shamelessly champion the causes that you believe in. Yeah, and then the four
537. 00:42:08 Themes I guess is what he's calling these inside of that. Uh, the first of those is collaborate
538. 00:42:15 So you really like working with other people just as it sounds like
539. 00:42:19 uh, the second one is make the grade and you're essentially trying to
540. 00:42:23 The way he defines is you're motivated to measure up to and gain acceptance in a group you want to be a member of
541. 00:42:31 The third here is serve you're motivated to identify and fulfill needs requirements
542. 00:42:37 and
543. 00:42:38 expectations
544. 00:42:39 So this is one that I see a lot in
545. 00:42:41 Volunteers at our church that they'll have this particular motivator
546. 00:42:45 Doesn't really matter what you ask them to do just the fact that you've asked them to step up to the plate
547. 00:42:50 They're more than willing to
548. 00:42:52 To do that and then influence behavior
549. 00:42:55 Is exactly what it sounds like you enjoy the process of trying to sway teams or groups from one
550. 00:43:01 Thing to another the way he defines is you're motivated to gain a reaction or response from people that indicates you have influenced their thinking feelings and
551. 00:43:10 Behavior so again, you can kind of see how these can all
552. 00:43:14 Move from one to the other. Yep, they're all they're all related
553. 00:43:18 Uh, next family is the learner family
554. 00:43:22 Uh, these are motivated to explore ask questions and learn new things driven to teach others what they've learned and share new skills
555. 00:43:29 They prefer generalist roles where they can learn new things
556. 00:43:32 They're able to bring a lot of new ideas and energy to projects, especially in the early stages
557. 00:43:36 If you are in the learner family
558. 00:43:39 You should recognize that not everyone is wired like you
559. 00:43:42 You should develop a side project or hobby make a bucket list and consider the application
560. 00:43:48 Of the knowledge that you are getting. Yeah, and then the four
561. 00:43:52 Subthemes under this one not all of them have four but the last couple have had them
562. 00:43:57 a comprehend and express
563. 00:43:59 Your motivation focuses on understanding defining and then communicating your insight so you like to
564. 00:44:05 Figure out how something works and then tell other people what you're doing for it
565. 00:44:10 I run into quite a bit actually with folks
566. 00:44:13 Master
567. 00:44:14 You like to gain complete command of a skill subject procedure technique or process just what it sounds like
568. 00:44:20 You like to become the best at something
569. 00:44:23 Demonstrate new learning. It's very similar to that first one of comprehend and express
570. 00:44:28 But you're motivated to learn how to do something new and show that you can do it. So that one I actually had a hard time
571. 00:44:35 Getting the difference between those two because they seem like they were so on top of each other
572. 00:44:41 But I had a hard time
573. 00:44:43 Figuring out the subtleties there and then the last one is explore
574. 00:44:47 You're driven to explore what is unknown and perhaps mysterious to you
575. 00:44:51 pressing beyond the existing limits of your knowledge and or
576. 00:44:54 Experience so you're just diving into something new right and you hit on one of the problems
577. 00:45:00 I think with this is that maybe the distinctions make sense to them, but they're not abundantly clear
578. 00:45:06 Yeah to to everybody yeah, and I think they try
579. 00:45:10 to explain like how these things differ, but it's
580. 00:45:14 I think unless you know all the details behind how their
581. 00:45:19 Survey works. It would be very difficult to nail down
582. 00:45:22 What those differences actually are yeah, there's a lot of nuance so again
583. 00:45:26 When you're reading through them, it's like okay, you have a lot of the same strengths you have a lot of the same weaknesses
584. 00:45:32 Why are these different? Yep, exactly. I don't know. I I never did figure that particular one out
585. 00:45:37 All right, the next family is the optimizer family
586. 00:45:40 And optimizers to arrive their energy from making things efficient
587. 00:45:44 They want systems and information to be organized
588. 00:45:47 They're focused on getting it right from the beginning rather than fixing it later
589. 00:45:51 And they need to lay firm foundations for future work
590. 00:45:53 They aren't concerned about being known for their contribution
591. 00:45:57 If you are in the optimizer family, then you should learn to recognize when something is an actual problem versus a problem in your own mind
592. 00:46:04 Recognize that others are not necessarily interested in improvement like you are
593. 00:46:08 Practice allowing others to take ownership and to break your work into short-term easy wins
594. 00:46:14 Yeah, this one's got a lot of
595. 00:46:17 Subthemes in it the first of which is organize
596. 00:46:20 I know some people who have this one and I I
597. 00:46:24 How do you do that?
598. 00:46:26 You want to set up and maintain a smooth operate smooth running operation
599. 00:46:31 I think the key here is and maintain
600. 00:46:33 Like that's not necessarily a thing. You're going to just set up and then walk away from them
601. 00:46:38 They like to maintain it make it right
602. 00:46:41 You consistently set up or follow standards procedures and principles that you are that you believe are
603. 00:46:48 Rights, I feel like we see a lot of those in our culture right now
604. 00:46:51 Improve your happiest when you're using your abilities to make things better
605. 00:46:56 this one
606. 00:46:58 kind of
607. 00:47:00 overlaps I think with advance
608. 00:47:02 From the achiever group. So again, like they don't even necessarily follow the family's piece
609. 00:47:07 Make it work your motivation focuses on fixing something that has broken down or is functioning poorly
610. 00:47:15 Develop you're motivated by the process of building and developing from start to finish
611. 00:47:20 and then establish you're motivated to lay secure foundations and become
612. 00:47:26 Established it always bugs me when people use a term to define the term
613. 00:47:30 Yeah, let's call it establish and then say and become established like no no no no no no no no no no you can't do that
614. 00:47:36 Had the same thought
615. 00:47:39 All right, then the last one here is the key contributor family common characteristics here
616. 00:47:45 They want to be the center of the action. They derive energy from being recognized for their contributions
617. 00:47:49 They're driven to show how they're unique from everyone else on the team
618. 00:47:53 They find motivation in growing their influence and ownership of teams and processes
619. 00:47:59 And then the summary here if you are in the key contributor family
620. 00:48:04 You should recognize that your motivation is a gift apply your motivation to help others
621. 00:48:08 Find your core team and recognize that some work just has to be done whether or not you want to do it
622. 00:48:15 Yep
623. 00:48:17 And then again, there are six themes and this one as well so you can get to see how we're talking about sometimes these things overlap
624. 00:48:24 It's partially because there's so many of them. The first of these is evoke recognition
625. 00:48:29 you're motivated to capture the interest and attention of
626. 00:48:32 Others so this would be you know, your typical performers people who like to be on stage
627. 00:48:38 Bring control. You want to be in charge and in control of your own destiny. Hello entrepreneurs
628. 00:48:45 Be unique you sink to distinguish yourself by displaying some talent quality or aspect that is distinctive and special
629. 00:48:53 I feel like that would be like artists. Maybe
630. 00:48:56 Sometimes i'm trying to i'm trying to group people and I probably shouldn't be doing that
631. 00:49:00 Be central you're motivated to be a key person who holds things together and gives them meaning
632. 00:49:06 And or direction so that would be like the person calling the shots in a lot of cases gain ownership
633. 00:49:12 You're motivated to acquire what you want and to exercise ownership or control over
634. 00:49:16 What is yours that when I had odd chime nailing down how that was different than be central
635. 00:49:21 Maybe it depends on if there are people around you
636. 00:49:24 I don't know that when I I kind of struggle with and then the last one here is excel
637. 00:49:28 You want to stand above the rest or at the very least do your absolute best as you seek exceed the performance or expectations
638. 00:49:36 Of those around you so people set expectations for you. You want to beat those
639. 00:49:42 There you go. Yes. So
640. 00:49:44 That is the six different families and the
641. 00:49:49 different motivations
642. 00:49:52 inside each one
643. 00:49:54 There is the assessment which we both took
644. 00:49:57 So let's dive into
645. 00:50:00 Some of the specifics for the ones that are appropriate for us. Okay, uh, do you want to share your results first?
646. 00:50:09 um, I I want to say that
647. 00:50:12 you know whenever I went to take this
648. 00:50:14 that I
649. 00:50:17 Before I took it I had a
650. 00:50:19 Lot of stuff going on so I had read the first 24 pages where they do that first section before they get into these families
651. 00:50:27 And I had read through all of these different motivators and there was like two days
652. 00:50:32 Before I could take the assessment just because so much stuff was going on in life
653. 00:50:37 And I kept like in my mind trying to I even took a note of what I thought some of mine were
654. 00:50:42 And then I took the assessment and it's like complete backwards
655. 00:50:47 from what I expected it to be
656. 00:50:50 So
657. 00:50:53 This is why I'm a bit
658. 00:50:55 I'm a bit dumbfounded right now with this because and i'm not real sure what to do with it
659. 00:50:59 So when it comes to action items here, I don't really know what to do
660. 00:51:02 currently, so maybe i'll figure that out as we go here, but
661. 00:51:07 I I was not expecting what I got from this. I'll say that
662. 00:51:10 Okay
663. 00:51:12 And it starts with
664. 00:51:14 The number one so the free version what they do is they give you your top three
665. 00:51:18 Yep, the full one it gives you all of them ranked correct. Is that how that worked?
666. 00:51:22 It does and it gives you in depth analysis on actually your top five, okay
667. 00:51:27 So all I have on my side is just what those themes are those top three
668. 00:51:33 The top one that I have is collaborate
669. 00:51:37 Interesting
670. 00:51:39 Exactly that was my thought
671. 00:51:41 Wait
672. 00:51:42 I
673. 00:51:43 I've always known or at least thought that I was a very independent person and I always wanted to do things
674. 00:51:50 me
675. 00:51:52 So
676. 00:51:53 As an introvert i'm looking at that and i'm like, okay
677. 00:51:56 What am I supposed to do with that one? So then I
678. 00:52:01 And i'll i'll go over here. I gotta get myself up to that
679. 00:52:04 But I I was flipping through the specifics
680. 00:52:08 behind collaborate
681. 00:52:11 and
682. 00:52:12 Was just kind of walking through okay here are the things that
683. 00:52:15 they're saying are
684. 00:52:18 The positives and here is some of the watchouts
685. 00:52:21 um some of the
686. 00:52:23 So there's three pieces here that like you're really
687. 00:52:26 I shouldn't say you're really good at but they they save for someone with collaborate that you're
688. 00:52:31 They're like your main
689. 00:52:33 Aspects of this and one of those is unable to win unless the group wins
690. 00:52:38 Yeah
691. 00:52:40 eager for acceptance and relationship driven
692. 00:52:42 those are the three themes within that theme and
693. 00:52:47 as I was reading those three this is only about a page worth of
694. 00:52:53 Information on those three so that that's why I say this is a very dense book
695. 00:52:58 Because that whole section is like oh, that's my theme come on
696. 00:53:01 Can you expand on that give me a little more and then i'm like if you gave me a little more this whole book would be 500 pages long
697. 00:53:07 But as I was reading those like well, yeah, I suppose those are all spot-on
698. 00:53:11 Interesting so in the full version what they give you in addition to a longer pdf is
699. 00:53:18 Access to a web portal where they have videos for all of these as well
700. 00:53:23 Okay, and most of the videos are like five to ten minutes
701. 00:53:26 I haven't looked at all of them yet, but they're pretty well done
702. 00:53:29 And it would be cool to get your feedback on those videos because I agree that just based off of what's in the book itself
703. 00:53:37 You get your top three and you're looking at three of the 27 things and it feels like there's not a whole lot of meat there for you sometimes
704. 00:53:44 Right that actually makes me think this book is maybe a sales pitch then it totally is a sales pitch
705. 00:53:48 I went into it thinking this is like the or after when we got to to section two i'm like this is basically strengths finder
706. 00:53:55 Got it, but I feel like the free one
707. 00:53:58 Doesn't give you a whole lot of incentive to really want to upgrade sure sure like with the strengths finder
708. 00:54:06 You get the free one when you buy the book you go through it. It gives you your top strengths
709. 00:54:10 But for those strengths at least they give you a lot more
710. 00:54:14 Description with the free one. It's just literally like this is the thing. Yeah, and then you're left with six pages
711. 00:54:20 Maybe yep, you know in the actual part two of the book
712. 00:54:24 There they're they're describing who you are and it really isn't clear that when you upgrade you're going to get actually a very in-depth
713. 00:54:32 Report with a bunch of additional follow-up steps to help you dial this in and a whole bunch of multimedia
714. 00:54:40 That's going to help you understand it better. Like that's all missing
715. 00:54:43 Yeah, because when I took the free one at the very end they said hey if you want to see all of these ranked
716. 00:54:48 You can upgrade and we'll we'll give you the full and I'm in my head
717. 00:54:52 I'm thinking it was well all I really care about the top so I get one more page with
718. 00:54:56 Rest of the listed in order like that's not worth that to me. So exactly
719. 00:55:02 I don't think they do a very good job of giving you a taste for what is in the full version sure
720. 00:55:07 Yeah, so it's a sales pitch, but a bad one at that. Yeah, kind of
721. 00:55:11 Which is interesting, but I will say like here's okay coming back to collaborate
722. 00:55:15 One of the pieces is this is why I brought this up earlier
723. 00:55:20 The shadow side so the the back side of this is the part where I noticed
724. 00:55:24 this fits
725. 00:55:27 Spot on and I was not prepared for this
726. 00:55:30 But the the sub themes here they find it easy to self-deprecate if you followed me for very long I do this all the time
727. 00:55:37 I'm I'm a constant self-deprecator. I do it frequently
728. 00:55:41 Uh, they can lose their individual identity. It's easy for me to identify with whatever group I'm a part of I do this
729. 00:55:48 constantly
730. 00:55:50 prone to taking on too much
731. 00:55:52 They can judge those who are independent. I don't know that I do this one
732. 00:55:55 A lot, but I I've noticed it internally. I don't think I've externalized that but I I notice it internally
733. 00:56:03 They're reluctant to confront issues or engage in necessary conflict totally
734. 00:56:08 I am opposite of Mike in this. I don't see how that's not me then. Yes
735. 00:56:13 so I
736. 00:56:17 Again, I'm like, okay
737. 00:56:19 When I was going through this in my head, I was thinking okay these three families and these you know rough themes underneath of those
738. 00:56:25 This is kind of what I was thinking and then this comes out at the top
739. 00:56:29 And I'm reading through all of this like yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I
740. 00:56:34 I don't see myself as someone who seeks out teams to be a part of but yeah
741. 00:56:39 Well, that's really the beauty of this assessment if it's working the way it's designed is you probably have never been in a place where that was
742. 00:56:47 like a core motivator
743. 00:56:49 and you've just kind of
744. 00:56:51 Adapted to whatever is there. Yeah, you know and the idea is that you get a look inside yourself and you realize oh
745. 00:56:57 This is the biggest lever I can pull in order to create motivation to show up every day
746. 00:57:02 Yep
747. 00:57:03 So then you go back and you think about how you might be able to redesign aspects of your work. Yeah, no
748. 00:57:08 I'm not really sure how to do that
749. 00:57:11 Because it's like okay
750. 00:57:15 You can only put teams around things for so many
751. 00:57:19 Opportunities so I don't know it's it's got me thinking a lot about like okay. Well
752. 00:57:25 I've got like analog Joe like well, there's kind of a team with the members who are on team analog there
753. 00:57:32 There's bookworm and the folks who are around it like bookworm kind of fits because you and I work together
754. 00:57:37 Yeah on this so it kind of fits in that
755. 00:57:41 grouping
756. 00:57:43 So I get that but I don't know it's so weird so weird
757. 00:57:49 Makes me wonder if that's why I failed at the whole self
758. 00:57:52 Employed thing, but I don't know it could be now also. This is your top motivator
759. 00:57:57 Right so there's two other ones here and one of the points that they make is that
760. 00:58:01 Well, this is the primary one
761. 00:58:04 It's going to be influenced by the others on your list
762. 00:58:08 So basically this is going to come together to
763. 00:58:11 To create a franken motivation
764. 00:58:14 That is uniquely Joe. They're like modifiers
765. 00:58:17 I think is the way they explain it is like you can you're your number two three four or five modify your top
766. 00:58:23 Yep, and and back and forth for sure. Right. What was your number one? My number one is
767. 00:58:31 meet the challenge
768. 00:58:33 So this one
769. 00:58:35 The report that I have says your sense of achievement comes in looking back over a challenge
770. 00:58:40 You've met or a test that you passed you come alive under the pressure a specific demands
771. 00:58:44 You stretch yourself to succeed in the face of tight deadlines problems competitive situations or tests of skill understanding or endurance
772. 00:58:49 You may set the challenge yourself and may come to you as an assignment
773. 00:58:53 It might arise in the course of activities on the job
774. 00:58:56 Regardless of the source you enjoy focusing your energies and abilities on meeting the demands of the challenge the challenge makes upon you
775. 00:59:02 Being involved from the time the challenge first arises down to the moment
776. 00:59:06 It is finally conquered is important to you as you leave each demand or difficulty behind you
777. 00:59:10 You feel stimulated to press on you must however
778. 00:59:13 Have a sense that you are making continuing progress toward the goal
779. 00:59:17 Getting sidetracked by unrelated matters or thrown off by a change in plans or assignments is likely to annoy you
780. 00:59:23 Yep, that was pretty accurate
781. 00:59:26 This is why mike pushes me so hard to make sure we've got a schedule and that we're on time and
782. 00:59:34 All the things
783. 00:59:36 Maybe this is why bookworm continues because you've got this drive and I want to be a team player so
784. 00:59:44 Yeah, maybe one of the shadow sides of this and actually
785. 00:59:51 I don't know if you want to keep going back and forth, but a lot of mine are linked and the common theme with these
786. 00:59:59 is
787. 01:00:01 the
788. 01:00:02 Tendency to put yourself in a position of stress
789. 01:00:05 So like one of the shadow side attributes here, you know
790. 01:00:09 Putting things off to the last minute waiting till the pressure builds up needing that pressure and risk to create a challenge
791. 01:00:14 Adrenaline rush pushing yourself too far beyond your existing abilities and skill level living with a high degree of stress by constantly taking on fresh challenges
792. 01:00:22 That's all great in moderation
793. 01:00:25 But it can also get me in trouble and i've definitely been there sure don't do that
794. 01:00:31 Right
795. 01:00:33 Like I tell my kids don't do that it hurts
796. 01:00:35 When they stub their toe or whatever
797. 01:00:38 Yeah, apparently I need a little bit of pain in order to get going so
798. 01:00:42 All right. Yeah, so there we are all inflicts pain on you in the future. My number two was be central
799. 01:00:48 and
800. 01:00:50 I thought this was interesting given number one is collaborate so being a team player it comes from the team player
801. 01:00:56 family
802. 01:00:58 And number two is be central which is coming from the key contributor
803. 01:01:01 Family and if I look at the be central themes
804. 01:01:07 Uh, it's excited to be close to the action
805. 01:01:09 Which totally makes sense when you think about me running events
806. 01:01:14 like i'm
807. 01:01:16 The one that I want to play tech producer and I want to be the one who's keeping an eye on what's the video team doing?
808. 01:01:22 What's the slide team doing? What's the sound team doing is the
809. 01:01:25 My executive pastor on stage when they're supposed to be band supposed to be coming off on the side like I like to manage all of that
810. 01:01:31 I don't know why it's just the way i'm wired. So I like to be close to the action. I like to be called upon first
811. 01:01:38 uh
812. 01:01:39 Power hungry
813. 01:01:41 That one
814. 01:01:43 fitting maybe
815. 01:01:44 critical to the success of the team
816. 01:01:46 But here's here's the flip side of it this shadow side they can easily burn out or over extend themselves
817. 01:01:52 So combine that with the collaborate one where you have a tendency to take on too much
818. 01:01:57 Yeah, that's you know fitting
819. 01:01:59 They must be asked or called upon before taking action, which is so true. I tend to not just go do something unless
820. 01:02:06 There's someone needing help in some form or there's something that I need to
821. 01:02:12 contribute in that case
822. 01:02:15 Uh, they seek reinforcement of their values. I don't really resonate with that one specifically
823. 01:02:20 I'm not really sure that one applies, but it's it's interesting nonetheless
824. 01:02:24 So again, I think this is you know if you you talk about the modifier piece
825. 01:02:29 If being central ties into that team player it makes me think okay
826. 01:02:33 Well, I need teams around me and I want to be the one who ties them all together
827. 01:02:37 Just kind of where i'm sitting
828. 01:02:39 Right now. So sure I don't know it's it's again. This is not one I expected
829. 01:02:44 I'm gonna I'm gonna
830. 01:02:47 Talk about the ones I expected
831. 01:02:49 And I'm bad. All right, but that is not
832. 01:02:52 It was not on my radar at all neither one of these collaborate or be central
833. 01:02:57 Wasn't on my radar at all. I thought those were towards the bottom of the list
834. 01:03:01 So when I took the results and they came up
835. 01:03:04 I sat there and stared at it for a while and I debated retaking the test because I thought they'd send it to me wrong
836. 01:03:10 That's that's how far off I thought this was
837. 01:03:13 Did you have becky read the sections that you got back? I haven't yet. No, I
838. 01:03:19 I I haven't processed it well enough. I think for that
839. 01:03:22 So I had Rachel do that last night and uh
840. 01:03:26 Basically that was a verification for me because she's reading through it. She's like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. I get it
841. 01:03:31 Interesting like okay. I guess those are accurate then sometimes you you can't judge yourself very well
842. 01:03:38 But others who know you pretty well can yeah can verify no, that's a that's a solid thought because I I have it
843. 01:03:45 Again, I'm still trying to process it, which is weird. I'm a super fast processor
844. 01:03:50 With stuff like this. I mean how many times have we talked about I tend to not figure out what I'm going to say at the beginning of bookworm
845. 01:03:57 Until you've said three two one and then the thought crosses my mind in that moment. So that's just how I operate
846. 01:04:03 Uh
847. 01:04:05 So for me to be a bit and then and this was I took the test
848. 01:04:09 About a week ago
849. 01:04:12 Now and I still am like trying to like this past week. I've been trying to pay attention to my interactions at work
850. 01:04:18 Try to okay
851. 01:04:21 How does this all apply and I haven't really found anything that refutes it. Yeah, which is the weird part
852. 01:04:27 I've found a lot of things that confirm it
853. 01:04:30 And I don't know it's so weird so kudos on Todd Henry here
854. 01:04:36 Well, I can tell you you are a central collaborator for bookworm
855. 01:04:42 I
856. 01:04:44 Linux machine for the win
857. 01:04:46 All right, my second one is
858. 01:04:50 Experience the ideal. So the first one is from the achiever family
859. 01:04:56 This one is actually from the visionary family
860. 01:05:00 And my report says you're motivated to give concrete expression to certain concepts visions or values that are important to you
861. 01:05:07 You want to live out your ideas and ideals and to measure up to a self-image or role you adopt or are cast in
862. 01:05:12 These intangibles take a variety of forms. Perhaps your political beliefs moral spiritual values philosophical outlook or your attitudes towards work
863. 01:05:19 Are what you seek to live out with intensity and purpose
864. 01:05:21 It's likely that your lifestyle occupation in place of residence to people with whom you want to associate and the nature of your relationships with others
865. 01:05:29 Reflect these concepts
866. 01:05:31 In general you want your life to reflect as closely as possible to the way you think it should be lived and your actions to reflect
867. 01:05:37 The kind of person you think you ought to be
868. 01:05:39 The process of striving to realize these ideals may be what gives you satisfaction and pleasure
869. 01:05:43 It is important for you to concentrate on functioning in a role assignment or responsibility that involves you in a process of transforming
870. 01:05:50 What is intangible or abstract into some concrete form or expression?
871. 01:05:55 Again, I feel like this is very accurate
872. 01:05:57 This is spot on
873. 01:06:02 Yep, yep
874. 01:06:05 Some of the shadow sides here
875. 01:06:07 Idealism or romanticism leading to frequent disappointments
876. 01:06:12 Yep
877. 01:06:15 I can't even tell you how many times it's like I get so frustrated with stuff because I see in my head the way things should be
878. 01:06:22 And then I'm like, no one else gets this why right?
879. 01:06:24 I gotta say something. No one sees it. I got a guy. I gotta say something
880. 01:06:30 Yeah, exactly
881. 01:06:32 Driving concept or idea may not be grounded in practical reality
882. 01:06:35 I don't know about this one. I guess you could probably look at me and identify that in specific ways
883. 01:06:40 But I maybe this is a part of the definition of who this is but like I don't feel
884. 01:06:45 Any of the things I chase are like way out there pie in the sky type stuff. Yeah, but again, this is
885. 01:06:52 Identify this is where that whole modifier thing comes in. Yep. So it's okay. The others
886. 01:06:58 Like the top one I feel like generally you're going to resonate with absolutely every detail of it would be my guess
887. 01:07:04 Yeah
888. 01:07:05 And then as you go down you tend to resonate with like 80% of it and there's parts of it that aren't quite there
889. 01:07:11 So I sure I think that's part of what's going on. Yeah, that makes sense
890. 01:07:15 The other part here only wanting to work on their own ideas and assure that they are right
891. 01:07:20 Specifically the ensuring they are right. Yeah, absolutely
892. 01:07:23 Yep, so that is
893. 01:07:26 Experience the ideal that one can get messy sometimes. I feel like oh totally
894. 01:07:31 Especially if you're not in a position where you are expected to be a visionary sure
895. 01:07:38 Yeah, I think a lot of people
896. 01:07:41 Who are running an organization?
897. 01:07:44 Maybe they feel the responsibility to be a visionary
898. 01:07:49 So reading this I can see how I can be a threat to certain people certain situations
899. 01:07:55 By acting on my visionary tendencies, right?
900. 01:07:58 Yeah, I feel like that one fits you pretty well though. Like just having worked with you for a few years on bookworm
901. 01:08:05 it
902. 01:08:07 It makes sense. I'll say that. Yeah, but in our case, I don't feel like any of the negative side has come out
903. 01:08:13 I don't know if that's because of where I land on this
904. 01:08:17 Wanting to make sure things work and I'm totally open to it. I don't know. Yeah, that could be
905. 01:08:22 I'll say this the visionary family. I thought I was going to have
906. 01:08:24 One or two out of that category because I tend to do a lot of the
907. 01:08:28 Things that they mention coming up with ideas trying to figure out what the ideal is going to be and what's the absolute best way to run
908. 01:08:36 Whatever like that's a lot of what I was expecting
909. 01:08:41 Um, so on that topic real quickly. Yeah, I uh read a gap book a while back called
910. 01:08:47 rocket fuel
911. 01:08:48 um, which is by the
912. 01:08:50 EOS guys
913. 01:08:54 And they talk about like the best companies have a visionary and an integrator
914. 01:09:00 They call it. Okay
915. 01:09:02 And I for a long time thought that I am the integrator
916. 01:09:06 I need to find my visionary and like find the right team and plug into that role
917. 01:09:13 And so when I got this back and I have this my second motivation is in the visionary family. I'm like, yep
918. 01:09:19 Huh
919. 01:09:21 Now what do I do?
920. 01:09:22 Well, it wasn't even like now. What do I do? But I recognize from reading this
921. 01:09:26 um
922. 01:09:28 And again, like you can take it with a grain of salt whether you really put stock in it or not
923. 01:09:31 But my reaction when I read that is like, oh, I have been trying to suppress this
924. 01:09:37 And I should not do that anymore. Yeah
925. 01:09:42 That's that's a really good way to say that because
926. 01:09:44 Collaborate and be central I feel like those two like what they are as far as like fitting in team settings
927. 01:09:52 Forever. I've said that I'm I like to go my own like I like to be able to control
928. 01:09:59 Everything around how I operate and what I'm doing
929. 01:10:03 Which is why I went down the self-employed route for so long
930. 01:10:07 I've said that for years and years and years and years
931. 01:10:11 and
932. 01:10:13 Seeing how this is coming up. It makes me think that maybe I've known this somewhat
933. 01:10:19 I've just been suppressing it unnote like unwittingly and
934. 01:10:23 This is I think why I'm a bit like okay
935. 01:10:27 Coming to grips with it
936. 01:10:31 Which is interesting because at the very beginning of the book
937. 01:10:34 Todd henry talks about when he was first introduced to this M code this motivation code as they're
938. 01:10:39 as they refer to this
939. 01:10:41 and how
940. 01:10:43 When he first took it and they walked him through it
941. 01:10:45 It was like all sorts of light bulbs started going off
942. 01:10:48 and
943. 01:10:49 He does mention in this that
944. 01:10:52 They're used to books being the type of thing like people read them
945. 01:10:55 And it's like oh this changed my life and then they read the next thing
946. 01:10:58 It's like oh this one changed my life and then they read it
947. 01:11:00 Oh that one changed my life and it's like I know that I tend to be prone to that
948. 01:11:05 sometimes
949. 01:11:06 But
950. 01:11:07 As we're going through this my my tendency is to say like this is got it nailed
951. 01:11:12 But now I'm hesitant to say that it's like okay. How is this gonna work long term?
952. 01:11:16 Is this just an initial reaction? I don't know I have
953. 01:11:19 This is one of those is like it's kind of messed with me a little bit
954. 01:11:22 And I'm not used to that with these books anymore. Usually it's like okay
955. 01:11:26 Well, this fits into that paradigm or this is where I think they're off or this is how that one fits
956. 01:11:30 This one I feel like is a bit jarring
957. 01:11:32 In that so it is especially my third one
958. 01:11:36 Okay, which is what?
959. 01:11:38 Overcome what it says your motivation focuses on overcoming and winning out over difficulties
960. 01:11:44 It's advantages or opposition
961. 01:11:46 Determination persistence and a competitive spirit tend to be among your natural traits
962. 01:11:50 You enjoy exerting a sustained all-out effort to prevail over problems difficulties obstacles handicaps or adversaries
963. 01:11:56 Your narrative may feature achievements like getting your degree while working full time and supporting a family despite a painful injury
964. 01:12:02 You might gut it out and perform well in an athletic contest both of those things have happened
965. 01:12:06 You
966. 01:12:08 Might strive to handle demanding job responsibilities despite a lack of experience inadequate skill or educational background
967. 01:12:14 Perhaps there's a story where you're work to prove the validity of an idea or plan of yours that others have scoffed at
968. 01:12:19 You may have polytic heavily to overcome opposition to one of your proposals in any case
969. 01:12:23 You're motivated to struggle with the forces and factors working against you until you win out over them
970. 01:12:27 Now this one is interesting it complements the first one that I shared
971. 01:12:31 Which was the meet the challenge in the meet the challenge section
972. 01:12:35 They always have a in each one of these sections. They have a story about somebody
973. 01:12:39 In this particular one they talk about will Smith and how he's going to die on the treadmill
974. 01:12:45 And he basically says, you know, we're gonna get on a treadmill and one of two things is gonna happen
975. 01:12:52 You're gonna get off first or I'm gonna die
976. 01:12:54 So overcome kind of fits that too. Uh, some of the shadow side stuff here
977. 01:13:01 Always finding something else to overcome. You're not content with routine activities of the mundane
978. 01:13:05 You have a high level stress and pressure, which is often present in your life strongly competitive creating difficulties when none are present
979. 01:13:11 It's almost like you have to manufacture
980. 01:13:13 An enemy to to overcome
981. 01:13:16 Uh, so this one and meet the challenge
982. 01:13:18 both have
983. 01:13:21 Aspects of like be careful. You like to work with a lot of stress. Yeah, so the big takeaway from having Rachel go through this is like
984. 01:13:27 Uh her reaction when she got done is like wow, okay
985. 01:13:31 So you kind of are gonna naturally seek out this stress. So how can I help you with this?
986. 01:13:36 Yes, which was not the intention, you know, I'm not giving it to her be like, hey, this is all you need to help me
987. 01:13:41 You know, right, but she read this and she's like, oh, I get why you keep ending up in those situations now
988. 01:13:46 Because you're seeking part of this is like, yeah, part of it is like I got to recognize that take some responsibility and avoid that stuff where possible
989. 01:13:56 But also I think there's some validity and just recognizing that like this is who I am
990. 01:14:01 So that stuff's gonna be stressful
991. 01:14:04 So what can I do?
992. 01:14:07 And with the other things I'm involved in especially like home. How do I make that not stressful?
993. 01:14:11 Yeah, or at least as the least amount of stress is possible given that we've got five kids that were homeschool
994. 01:14:17 That's not stressful. Not at all
995. 01:14:21 Though in today's culture, it's probably less stressful than it could be
996. 01:14:27 Or would be yeah, yeah
997. 01:14:29 Well, I don't know. I think this is interesting. Okay. Let me give you my third because there's
998. 01:14:34 some fascinating
999. 01:14:36 overlaps which may explain some of bookworms longevity
1000. 01:14:40 My my third one here is demonstrate new learning
1001. 01:14:44 Now this one I I got right away. So when I was posing my original three
1002. 01:14:53 This was one that I thought was way up there now at least from the learner
1003. 01:14:57 Group but demonstrate new learning quick learner which
1004. 01:15:02 yeah, uh a generalist
1005. 01:15:05 which
1006. 01:15:08 The way they're using this term and the way they explain it it would probably fit into
1007. 01:15:11 the uh
1008. 01:15:14 realm of multi potentialite to use that term from
1009. 01:15:17 You know a different book
1010. 01:15:20 Strong synthesizer very good at like determining what other people are saying without them saying it
1011. 01:15:25 the
1012. 01:15:27 The flip side of this they find it difficult to commit to a career
1013. 01:15:31 They're a jack of all trades and master of none. They come across as a know-it-all
1014. 01:15:37 Do I come across as a know-it-all? I hope not
1015. 01:15:40 They want to appear competent even when they aren't that one. I definitely try to do it
1016. 01:15:45 and shouldn't
1017. 01:15:48 so
1018. 01:15:50 This one's very obvious to me because
1019. 01:15:52 I will dive in head first on something brand new
1020. 01:15:56 Figure out how it all works
1021. 01:15:57 And then I want to go on to the next thing and I'm done with it
1022. 01:16:00 And I do this over and over and over again
1023. 01:16:02 You see this from me regularly if you followed me for three seconds online. So
1024. 01:16:06 That's you know you start putting these together
1025. 01:16:09 And this is what I was talking about earlier
1026. 01:16:12 collaborate from the team player grouping
1027. 01:16:15 Be central as a key contributor demonstrate new learning from the learner category
1028. 01:16:20 combine that with your side of things Mike
1029. 01:16:23 From you get two of them from the achiever group meet the challenge
1030. 01:16:27 The visionary side experiencing the ideal and overcoming yep
1031. 01:16:32 Between the two of us. We've got a pretty good collection across these families
1032. 01:16:37 Yeah, the only one we don't have is optimizer. So we need to find an optimizer
1033. 01:16:42 Is that what you're saying to find an optimizer and then we'll be golden
1034. 01:16:45 Now regarding your demonstrate new learning one
1035. 01:16:49 This when I read that in the descriptions
1036. 01:16:52 I obviously thought of how to be everything by Emily Wopnik and the definition of a multi potential light
1037. 01:16:58 And I was a little bit offended. I didn't get this one to be
1038. 01:17:01 Because you felt like you resonated when I read it. I'm like, oh, that's totally me. Yep. Yeah, and then no
1039. 01:17:11 so
1040. 01:17:12 the three that I thought I was going to be
1041. 01:17:14 the first
1042. 01:17:17 was
1043. 01:17:18 Experience the ideal
1044. 01:17:20 I thought that was one that I was going to be just because I have a tendency to come up
1045. 01:17:25 What is the best case scenario for things?
1046. 01:17:27 Like what is the ultimate most effective most efficient way
1047. 01:17:31 for things to
1048. 01:17:33 To run like that is something I feel like I do a lot
1049. 01:17:38 But it it didn't make the list at all demonstrate new learning was there
1050. 01:17:44 like I really thought that was one that I was
1051. 01:17:46 uh
1052. 01:17:48 Going to fit into I didn't pick that specific one. I picked the comprehend and express
1053. 01:17:52 but again, I think that those two that's why I struggled like I feel like they were very
1054. 01:17:58 Similar
1055. 01:18:00 To each other the other one that I had written down was organized
1056. 01:18:03 from the optimizer grouping
1057. 01:18:07 which wasn't on the radar either
1058. 01:18:09 And that was because I have a tendency to want to put things in their place and make sure they have a place and stuff
1059. 01:18:15 But as I've thought about it, it's like, okay
1060. 01:18:18 I like to make sure that things have a place
1061. 01:18:20 But if you were to look at my desk, you would see that I am not one who keeps them there
1062. 01:18:25 Everything it has a place sure it's just not there
1063. 01:18:29 So I don't think that actually fits in my head. That's where I land
1064. 01:18:35 But that's not it at all and this is why I think this is
1065. 01:18:38 again, this is either
1066. 01:18:41 Genius and it's spot on and this is something we need to put a lot of weight on
1067. 01:18:45 or it's way off
1068. 01:18:48 And I don't think it's the latter of those
1069. 01:18:51 so I
1070. 01:18:54 Again, this is why I'm still processing on this which is weird
1071. 01:18:57 Because again, this is like I'm instant when it comes to processing things like this. So yeah
1072. 01:19:05 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
1073. 01:19:07 Thoughts?
1074. 01:19:07 I
1075. 01:19:08 I didn't have like a three that I thought I was gonna be
1076. 01:19:11 but I did expect
1077. 01:19:14 The demonstrate new learning to show up because that's basically what bookworm is
1078. 01:19:18 It's like you'll learn something. Yeah, you talk about it and you solidify it in your brain
1079. 01:19:23 Yep
1080. 01:19:24 I was a little bit shocked that I didn't get really anything from those families
1081. 01:19:29 I do think it'd be interesting
1082. 01:19:33 to see how
1083. 01:19:35 And I understand why they're saying just look at the top three
1084. 01:19:38 But I'm sure that there is some sort of influence with all of these
1085. 01:19:43 In the full version they give you your scores for
1086. 01:19:46 all of the different themes
1087. 01:19:48 And what's interesting about this is that like I start with meet the challenge and I average like a 10 score on that
1088. 01:19:55 Experience the ideal 9.3 overcome 9.2
1089. 01:19:59 Be unique is 9.2 also bring a completion is 9.0
1090. 01:20:03 Uh, the lowest one
1091. 01:20:06 Is influence behavior at 6.4 where I actually registered a rating
1092. 01:20:10 And then make the grade
1093. 01:20:12 Is zero
1094. 01:20:14 So I think that that might be more telling than any of the other stuff is like I don't really care what people think
1095. 01:20:23 I am not trying to seek anybody's approval
1096. 01:20:29 I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do
1097. 01:20:31 So I think there's a lot of insight to be gained from this but yeah, you have me intrigued on the full one at this point
1098. 01:20:38 but
1099. 01:20:39 I
1100. 01:20:40 I'm having a hard time getting my head around these
1101. 01:20:42 Top three just by itself. So that's the one that I'm I'm still like okay
1102. 01:20:49 Like just that piece is one that I'm
1103. 01:20:52 Processing so seeing the rest of it I feel like would maybe either clarify it or muddy it
1104. 01:20:58 One of the two not real sure but it depends what you want to do with this
1105. 01:21:02 You know if your reaction is
1106. 01:21:05 Maybe there's something here and I want to understand it better. I'd say spend the 50 bucks watch the videos get the full report
1107. 01:21:13 Uh, there's also with the full report. They give you the end up analysis of your top motivations
1108. 01:21:20 They give you a development plan
1109. 01:21:24 Which I'll just go through this real quickly. There's a couple different exercises
1110. 01:21:28 So the first one they say own your motivation code and what you're supposed to do is take this report
1111. 01:21:35 And highlight in green
1112. 01:21:37 Everything that accurately describes your actions and motivations
1113. 01:21:40 Highlight and yellow anything that moderately resonates with you and highlight in red all the things that don't apply to you at all
1114. 01:21:48 Okay
1115. 01:21:49 So I haven't done that but I can see how going through that you might see. Oh, yeah, there's actually a bunch of green here
1116. 01:21:55 So while I initially thought this was a bunch of hooey
1117. 01:21:58 Actually, not I think about this a little more. Maybe there's something here sure
1118. 01:22:03 And then they say to create your motivation statement. This is kind of getting into part three
1119. 01:22:09 Um, so I don't know if we want to talk about yeah, no, that's fine
1120. 01:22:12 Okay, I'm totally game to go there because part three is actually where my one action item comes from having gone through the full assessment
1121. 01:22:18 And that is to create your motivation statement
1122. 01:22:21 and this is
1123. 01:22:23 Basically like you're filling in some blanks and it's a little bit more involved in the actual report in the book
1124. 01:22:29 It's just a couple of blanks that you're filling in in the report you identify your top three motivations
1125. 01:22:34 The words that resonate from exercise one where you highlighted things
1126. 01:22:37 And then you create your own integrated motivation statement. I'm fundamentally motivated to blank as I blank and blank
1127. 01:22:47 All right, and this is all kind of formatted pretty nicely and then you identify your motivational energy
1128. 01:22:53 Where you write down activities or how you motivated to do
1129. 01:22:56 And then you go back to your profile and shows your themes and then in column two
1130. 01:23:02 You kind of write down the themes that correspond to the things that you like doing in both energizing and draining activities. Does that make sense?
1131. 01:23:08 Yeah, yeah, it does
1132. 01:23:10 Okay
1133. 01:23:10 And then the last exercise is to identify the shadow side where you got your motivations
1134. 01:23:16 And then what are the issues that you faced associated with these motivations?
1135. 01:23:19 We kind of talked through a bunch of those already like for me a big one is stress
1136. 01:23:22 Okay, but this is where you would codify that stuff
1137. 01:23:25 So there's a lot of really cool stuff
1138. 01:23:27 I think that you can use this stuff to a lot of insights you can glean from following through and doing this all the way
1139. 01:23:33 Um, but I also can see people doing that and being like well, that was a waste of time
1140. 01:23:40 Yeah
1141. 01:23:42 You know going through this last part here
1142. 01:23:44 Essentially what you're trying to do is put together a plan
1143. 01:23:49 Yep for what to do about it
1144. 01:23:52 Which is spot-on. It's exactly what they should be saying here
1145. 01:23:56 And one of the pieces I noticed you wrote this in the outline. I wanted to bring this up as well
1146. 01:24:01 But they were they talk about the differences between clean
1147. 01:24:04 and dirty fuel motivation fuel and
1148. 01:24:09 The way that they explain this is you know, if you if you think about dirty fuels like coal or wood even
1149. 01:24:16 When you burn them you're left with ash or soot
1150. 01:24:19 That's a dirty fuel
1151. 01:24:22 in the same way
1152. 01:24:25 You have dirty motivation fuel
1153. 01:24:28 Basically if you're using a motivator that's not in your top
1154. 01:24:33 grouping of motivators
1155. 01:24:36 Say some people are motivated by finances and that's fine
1156. 01:24:39 Say it's a challenge that they are there to meet and they want to achieve those finances
1157. 01:24:44 You know, they they may be driven by that. That's not me. So that particular
1158. 01:24:49 Motivator is a dirty motivating fuel because it leaves behind it
1159. 01:24:54 anger resentment frustration
1160. 01:24:57 disengagement it's going to leave a lot of these negatives
1161. 01:25:01 behind it if you have the wrong motivator
1162. 01:25:04 But if you nail it if you have a clean
1163. 01:25:07 motivation fuel the byproduct of that would be passion
1164. 01:25:11 In this case where you're just absolutely on fire for the thing you're doing
1165. 01:25:16 so
1166. 01:25:17 That was maybe the gal I talked to doing my covet test
1167. 01:25:20 Okay, let's tone it down a bit. You're overwhelming me here. So maybe that's the add. I just can't handle that
1168. 01:25:28 so
1169. 01:25:29 You know, that's that's another thing too. So
1170. 01:25:31 That's that was a piece that acts like okay. That makes a lot of sense
1171. 01:25:35 The way that they explain that so I think that was a really good analogy that they put together there at the end
1172. 01:25:40 So I was grateful for that. It kind of gave me a clean way of thinking this no pun intended
1173. 01:25:45 That's interesting. I got something a little bit different from the clean and dirty stuff
1174. 01:25:49 But maybe that's just linked to my motivations because remember I'm meeting the challenge and I'm overcoming
1175. 01:25:54 All right
1176. 01:25:56 So I'm just trying to learn something new the stuff that I jotted down from this section
1177. 01:26:00 He talks about how all fuels have byproducts and there is this thing called an against
1178. 01:26:06 Motivation which is probably very naturally inclined to a couple of mine
1179. 01:26:11 Where it's like me against the world. Yeah, and I'm gonna show them wrong
1180. 01:26:15 You know, they said I couldn't do this thing and for that reason alone
1181. 01:26:19 I'm going to kill myself for the next 10 years so that I can show up one day and say ha I did it
1182. 01:26:25 You know a great example of this
1183. 01:26:27 Have you ever watched
1184. 01:26:29 Michael Jordan's hall of fame acceptance speech
1185. 01:26:32 No, but I've heard about it
1186. 01:26:34 It is so bitter and he basically kept tabs on
1187. 01:26:39 Everybody that he ever felt slighted by and he like called them all out in his hall of fame speech
1188. 01:26:46 It's like really uncomfortable to watch
1189. 01:26:49 But that's the picture that I had in my mind as he's talking about this against motivation and the negative
1190. 01:26:56 Emotional byproducts that come with that because you watch something like that and you're just like what a sad bitter old man
1191. 01:27:01 Yeah, yeah, right and I don't want to be that guy
1192. 01:27:05 So the big takeaway for me is to work for something not against something right and the idea of passion here
1193. 01:27:13 This is this is coming from the previous book that I had read by Todd Henry, which is die empty which I really really enjoyed
1194. 01:27:20 that book he talks about
1195. 01:27:23 The word passion coming from the latin word petit and it literally means to suffer
1196. 01:27:29 So following your passion really doesn't mean
1197. 01:27:34 Do what you love it means?
1198. 01:27:37 What are you willing to suffer to see come about because you care about it so much
1199. 01:27:41 And he even says in this book that following your suffering doesn't have the same ring as following your passion
1200. 01:27:49 But that's really what it is and that's why you make a motivation
1201. 01:27:53 Statement because you identify what you are really passionate about what you're willing to go through some difficulty and
1202. 01:28:00 Overcome some things not just because that's who you are
1203. 01:28:03 Motivated though now that I have taken this I see like where my my perspective on this whole idea of passion
1204. 01:28:10 Like why that really resonates with me?
1205. 01:28:12 But I think with all of these motivations regardless of where you you land this is an important
1206. 01:28:19 aspect here is that
1207. 01:28:20 It's not just going to be fun all the time and the motivation is going to kick in when you have that connection to
1208. 01:28:27 Where you really want to be and why this is really important to you and where you're going to end up
1209. 01:28:32 What you're going to get out of this whether that is you know you've
1210. 01:28:36 Past the finish line and you finish the thing or just you had a really great time collaborating with somebody
1211. 01:28:42 I don't know not trying to pick on your motivations. No go for it
1212. 01:28:45 But I think like if you are
1213. 01:28:48 Solidly one of these it can be difficult to understand where other people are coming from
1214. 01:28:53 Which is why like as you go through these sections and he talks about how do you work with somebody who falls in these categories?
1215. 01:28:57 That is absolute gold
1216. 01:29:00 Yeah, because you're not going to just always know the best way to do something based on how you're wired
1217. 01:29:06 And you can't just say like well work my way even if you are the boss
1218. 01:29:10 Yeah, and that honestly this is a thing
1219. 01:29:14 you know, I
1220. 01:29:16 This isn't going to qualify as an action. I'm I think for bookworm
1221. 01:29:19 But my intention is to at least glance through that part for yours. Sure
1222. 01:29:23 Just so I can figure out okay
1223. 01:29:27 Mike wants to meet the challenge. Do I need to give him challenges? I don't know
1224. 01:29:30 Like what does that mean?
1225. 01:29:32 So, you know, I maybe that improves our working relationship
1226. 01:29:36 I don't know, but that's at least a thing that I wanted to
1227. 01:29:39 Consider it is definitely a thing. I've debated having my wife take this
1228. 01:29:44 Quiz just to see
1229. 01:29:46 You know, where does she land on this and then we could have this conversation, but she doesn't like taking quizzes like this
1230. 01:29:51 Just let me go do my thing
1231. 01:29:53 She totally should Rachel took it. I don't forget what three she had, but they were very different again
1232. 01:29:58 Yeah, so apparently I seek out people who are not like me at all
1233. 01:30:02 Maybe that's why Rachel and I get along
1234. 01:30:06 That could be that could be
1235. 01:30:08 interestingly
1236. 01:30:10 I think there is
1237. 01:30:13 There is a place for this type of assessment where you have two people take it
1238. 01:30:18 And then you draw insights from those results and how they compare
1239. 01:30:22 Yeah, uh, we did that with the Colby
1240. 01:30:25 There is like a relationship version of the Colby assessment where you identify
1241. 01:30:30 that
1242. 01:30:32 Someone's a high follow through someone's a high quick start. So
1243. 01:30:36 Where are the points in your relationship?
1244. 01:30:39 Where that's going to produce friction and how do you kind of maximize your strengths working together?
1245. 01:30:45 Yeah
1246. 01:30:46 And that report when we took it was it's called the take two assessment
1247. 01:30:50 I'll put a link to that in the uh, the show notes, okay, but um
1248. 01:30:53 That one was really interesting to go through and it was just as in depth as this 22 page thing that I got for going through the the 50 dollar
1249. 01:31:02 One here
1250. 01:31:04 So I think that would be fascinating if they do develop this in the future to add an aspect of like, okay
1251. 01:31:09 So I'm this and someone else is this how do we reconcile it? Yeah, that's true
1252. 01:31:13 But I feel like that'd be a whole nother book
1253. 01:31:15 It could be like again. This is dense. So yeah when I got done with this, you know, I looked at the research
1254. 01:31:22 I looked at what they what they got with the full version
1255. 01:31:24 I feel like they're just on the tip of the iceberg with this
1256. 01:31:28 And that's why I said at the beginning, you know
1257. 01:31:31 Maybe this turns into something like the strengths finder and this is a common thing because I think it totally could be that
1258. 01:31:37 I think understanding your motivation. That's kind of unique in that whole area of like self assessment
1259. 01:31:42 but
1260. 01:31:44 Definitely very there's a lot of potential value there
1261. 01:31:48 But I also feel like this is
1262. 01:31:51 Still in the beginning stages and it's got to grow up a bit before we understand what's what this is really going to be
1263. 01:31:57 at the same time
1264. 01:31:59 I'm still jarred by it and still
1265. 01:32:01 Having a hard time refuting it
1266. 01:32:05 I've legit tried because
1267. 01:32:07 I don't think of myself as a team player
1268. 01:32:10 So the fact that that comes out number one
1269. 01:32:13 I'm going to find how this is wrong when I first saw that I'm going like i'm going to read through this and I am going to point out
1270. 01:32:19 All the reasons this is wrong
1271. 01:32:21 I was even I even in my drafts note that I quick took for it and then ended up in my notebook. I
1272. 01:32:26 had written
1273. 01:32:29 It's off
1274. 01:32:30 colon and started number one and I was ready to type the next thing is like okay. Here's why it's off
1275. 01:32:35 And it's still blank so
1276. 01:32:39 I never I haven't come up with anything. I'm trying but I haven't come up with it. No
1277. 01:32:46 That's great
1278. 01:32:49 Well, that's basically the book should talk about action items. Yep
1279. 01:32:53 Uh, the only one I've got here is to create the motivation statement
1280. 01:32:57 But actually I'm going to modify that to go through the four exercises that are in the full version of my report
1281. 01:33:05 So that's part of those four exercises
1282. 01:33:07 But I will report back on all of them if you want me to or I can just share my motivation statement like they talk about
1283. 01:33:14 On a page. What is that?
1284. 01:33:16 222 I think
1285. 01:33:20 Is where they they have that one sure so I wrote it down in my mind node file my giant giant mind node file
1286. 01:33:28 Is this the biggest one you've done? No principles was the biggest all that's right that one was massive
1287. 01:33:33 Principles broke my node because I kept attaching images and ended up like a gigabyte in size
1288. 01:33:38 World's largest mind node file
1289. 01:33:42 Exactly. I do think now that you've shared yours
1290. 01:33:45 I am going to go back and look at those sections too and just kind of figure out
1291. 01:33:50 How do I work with joe better?
1292. 01:33:53 Not that there's even like issues. I think you like you said there's a lot of synergy between our motivation styles
1293. 01:33:58 Which interestingly by the way, there doesn't necessarily have to be with different styles
1294. 01:34:03 So like if you prefer to work with people I prefer to be left alone. Yep those aren't necessarily going to complement each other
1295. 01:34:10 Right, right, but I feel like with bookworm it kind of does
1296. 01:34:13 You're right with that and part of that I think is just because we're not like it's not a full time
1297. 01:34:18 Yep, true. It's a it's a part-time thing. So
1298. 01:34:22 I think there's maybe some component of that there
1299. 01:34:25 um
1300. 01:34:27 I don't know it's it's interesting. So as far as action items go
1301. 01:34:31 I don't have anything written down
1302. 01:34:33 And it's because I'm not sure what to do with it yet
1303. 01:34:36 And again, I've said this a few times like I'm in this weird spot where I'm used to processing things very quickly
1304. 01:34:43 but this one has thrown me off and I think it's because
1305. 01:34:46 I've got a probably a decade worth of
1306. 01:34:51 Thinking headed down one direction that this is flipping on its head
1307. 01:34:56 And it's that's why I'm a bit like what so I'm trying to like potentially reverse
1308. 01:35:02 Multiple years of thinking here
1309. 01:35:05 But I'm not sure I should be
1310. 01:35:08 so
1311. 01:35:10 Again, I'm not gonna put this as an action item, but I think I'm just gonna discuss this with my wife
1312. 01:35:14 Talk through this with Becky and
1313. 01:35:17 See
1314. 01:35:19 You know
1315. 01:35:20 If she agrees with these things then
1316. 01:35:22 I'm likely to put a lot more weight on it. Yeah, and that may tell me
1317. 01:35:27 What I should be doing
1318. 01:35:30 I've been tweaking who's doing what in my current role to alleviate me from some tasks to help me move over to others
1319. 01:35:37 Like there's a bit of a transition going on right now
1320. 01:35:39 so it would be good timing
1321. 01:35:42 in that sense so
1322. 01:35:45 I need to I need to talk through this one, which is
1323. 01:35:48 Not something I'm used to having to say sure so
1324. 01:35:51 Again, this one's weird to me
1325. 01:35:55 Which is gonna get even harder if we're gonna rate this thing so you go first
1326. 01:35:59 I'm I don't have to go first on this you go
1327. 01:36:02 Okay, this is so hard because again, this is not a bookworm style book
1328. 01:36:09 I would not ever pick
1329. 01:36:12 Strengths finder for bookworm, but that's basically what I did
1330. 01:36:16 Yep, I'm picking this on my proud of you
1331. 01:36:19 So I have to differentiate between the book
1332. 01:36:24 from the bookworm perspective and the assessment
1333. 01:36:28 And I feel the assessment and what you can glean from going through that
1334. 01:36:33 Is pretty cool. I
1335. 01:36:36 Am glad that I paid the $50 for the the big one. I
1336. 01:36:40 wasn't really that impressed with the
1337. 01:36:44 Free one, but I feel a lot better about the whole message that they're communicating
1338. 01:36:50 By looking at the full product that they're trying to ultimately point people to
1339. 01:36:55 so
1340. 01:36:57 Assessment 5.0, but now let's talk about the book
1341. 01:37:01 All right, the book it's hard
1342. 01:37:05 Because I like the assessment
1343. 01:37:08 To to say anything negative about the book
1344. 01:37:10 But I really didn't enjoy it as a book very much
1345. 01:37:14 I was expecting a lot of talk about
1346. 01:37:19 motivation the concept and that was just
1347. 01:37:24 The first chapter basically the next chapter they were on to explaining the assessment
1348. 01:37:31 At that point in the book. I felt very duped to be honest. Sure
1349. 01:37:35 So then here's here's a question then
1350. 01:37:40 Because the book is so dependent on the assessment. Can you rate the book without the assessment?
1351. 01:37:46 That's what I am attempting to do. Yeah, should you that's the question. I don't know
1352. 01:37:51 That's the hard part here
1353. 01:37:54 It's like rating strengths finder without having taken the test like how do you do that?
1354. 01:37:58 It's true, but with strengths finder
1355. 01:38:00 Even with that I would say take the assessment pay the money
1356. 01:38:05 Don't even bother with the book other than to get the code to take the the test sure
1357. 01:38:10 Yeah, there is no code to take the test
1358. 01:38:13 You can go to motivation code.com/free and take the free version of this test
1359. 01:38:18 There is no reason
1360. 01:38:20 For you to go back and read this book
1361. 01:38:22 What you are left with if you take the free version of the assessment is your top three motivations
1362. 01:38:27 Which you can then go back and read those 10 pages and get limited value from that
1363. 01:38:33 Okay, I don't think any of the 27 sections that they talk about here
1364. 01:38:37 Really jump out to you the way that the full assessment results do
1365. 01:38:43 So even if you did that you're not really getting the full picture
1366. 01:38:49 And so with that like why even bother
1367. 01:38:53 Sure. Yeah, I don't need more homework to do. I'm not trying to remember all 27 of these motivations
1368. 01:39:01 So if you're like cranking through a book like we do in bookworm
1369. 01:39:04 Yep, you get to the end especially if you're taking notes like I did in a mine of file
1370. 01:39:08 And you're like that was exhausting and kind of pointless
1371. 01:39:12 From a bookworm perspective the parts I really enjoyed
1372. 01:39:17 Chapter one and then the section always talking about passion at the end
1373. 01:39:20 But again, like that's not new I read that in the previous Todd Henry book
1374. 01:39:24 So
1375. 01:39:26 from a book perspective
1376. 01:39:28 I think this is honestly two and a half stars
1377. 01:39:31 Okay
1378. 01:39:32 Now I just spent an hour and a half talking about how great the assessment is so I do think like as
1379. 01:39:39 a sales tool
1380. 01:39:41 Well done Todd Henry. Yes
1381. 01:39:43 This is why I was asking if you could split the two
1382. 01:39:47 I don't know. I think I think from a bookworm perspective you kind of it's
1383. 01:39:52 My interpretation of this it's our responsibility
1384. 01:39:56 To do that
1385. 01:39:57 Like people come to bookworm. Why did they come to bookworm because they're looking for the next book to read
1386. 01:40:02 They want to know what's worth their time
1387. 01:40:05 Don't spend your time reading this one
1388. 01:40:08 Spend your time if you really like the idea of motivation and you believe that there's a lot of validity behind this particular assessment
1389. 01:40:15 Which I can't even say because like I said they link to the science and there isn't a whole lot there
1390. 01:40:18 But if you can get past that for yourself and you want to research this for yourself
1391. 01:40:23 Take the assessment
1392. 01:40:25 Well number one if you don't want to spend any money take the free assessment and then go back and read just those sections
1393. 01:40:31 If you do want to really understand this stuff, which I've fallen to that category
1394. 01:40:36 You don't even need the book at all just go to the motivation code.com take the $50 assessment and watch the videos and whatever else
1395. 01:40:44 In the the full report follow those exercises
1396. 01:40:46 So
1397. 01:40:48 I like the fact that we went through this. I like the discussion that we had about
1398. 01:40:54 The topic yeah, but the book itself I feel is
1399. 01:40:58 Uh has been measured and found wanting
1400. 01:41:02 But towards the end he does say
1401. 01:41:05 That one of the things you need to do is process this with somebody yep, that's true
1402. 01:41:10 That's true it was somebody
1403. 01:41:12 So but you got to go through the assessment in order to do that you can't just read the book and talk about it
1404. 01:41:16 This is a terrible book club book. This is a podcast book club. This is not the right arena for this. Yeah
1405. 01:41:23 So I
1406. 01:41:24 I'm having a hard time
1407. 01:41:26 Because I hear you on trying to break the book away from
1408. 01:41:29 the assessment
1409. 01:41:31 but i'm having a hard time doing that because
1410. 01:41:34 The impact that the book has had on me would not have happened without the
1411. 01:41:39 Assessment and I would have focused on the wrong things going through the book
1412. 01:41:43 Yep, so if i'm rating the book, I think without the assessment, I think you're right. I would have gone down the wrong path
1413. 01:41:50 With it without the assessment, but they do call out like we want you to stop and we want you to go take this
1414. 01:41:55 Yep, so you could rate the experience. That's fine. You don't have to isolate the book like I did
1415. 01:42:01 Yeah, I don't I don't know like that's
1416. 01:42:04 That's posing a question about how bookworm ratings work that i'm not sure I was prepared to
1417. 01:42:09 Endeavor upon yeah, so well to be honest when I got to the section where they asked us take the assessment
1418. 01:42:17 I was like, oh man. Yeah, maybe I should reach out to joe and say you want to do something else instead sure
1419. 01:42:24 But i'm glad to have gone through this though. Yep, me too. Like i'm very happy that I did this
1420. 01:42:30 from an overall experience stance
1421. 01:42:33 If I were to make the assumption, okay here i'm gonna make a couple assumptions, okay
1422. 01:42:37 Number one i'm rating this based on the experience that the book delivers
1423. 01:42:42 Okay, which means you have to take the assessment into conjunction when you're looking at the entirety of this
1424. 01:42:48 That's assumption number one assumption number two
1425. 01:42:51 is that
1426. 01:42:53 what i'm
1427. 01:42:55 Getting from taking the assessment and learning about it
1428. 01:42:58 Is solid and actually stands up over time
1429. 01:43:01 If those two things are true
1430. 01:43:04 I think I would put this at a five
1431. 01:43:07 Which is weird to say i'm not
1432. 01:43:10 Gonna put it at a five because i'm i'm conflicted at the moment because i don't know what that law
1433. 01:43:15 I don't have the
1434. 01:43:17 I don't have what that long term is
1435. 01:43:19 So I I don't know, you know when we get to episode 200. Maybe we revise this one
1436. 01:43:24 I don't know but I
1437. 01:43:26 I don't know if I can
1438. 01:43:31 Separate the assessment from this just because I know that
1439. 01:43:37 It would not have struck me the way I it did if I
1440. 01:43:40 Hadn't taken it, but again, you're absolutely correct if you split that assessment from it
1441. 01:43:45 And you just read the book
1442. 01:43:47 It's going to be a bit confusing a little bit because of those subtleties between them
1443. 01:43:53 You know, that's one major complaint that i've had
1444. 01:43:56 with this is that
1445. 01:43:58 because some of those groupings and those motivational themes even within some of the families
1446. 01:44:02 have
1447. 01:44:04 such similar
1448. 01:44:06 explanations and
1449. 01:44:08 pros and cons
1450. 01:44:10 It's a bit washy on which one you would say is yours if you didn't take that assessment
1451. 01:44:15 and it would make me wonder like what's the
1452. 01:44:18 The difference between saying it's one versus like a versus b inside the back
1453. 01:44:23 Mathematical model on that assessment. I wonder how far apart some of these are some of them
1454. 01:44:29 I'm sure it's quite wide, but i'm betting some of these it's quite narrow
1455. 01:44:33 Which would make me wonder about the definitions and how they've gone defining some of these so you know, that's some of the complaints I have with it
1456. 01:44:40 You know those subtleties aren't made clear, but at the same time
1457. 01:44:45 I think that you might be correct having not done the full assessment the paid version of it. It makes me wonder if
1458. 01:44:53 doing that
1459. 01:44:56 skip the book
1460. 01:44:58 And do that would make more sense now granted you're talking about a two to threefold
1461. 01:45:03 expense
1462. 01:45:05 Versus reading the book and doing the free version
1463. 01:45:08 So I kind of want to tell folks like if you're interested in in this process buy the book do the free one
1464. 01:45:14 And then if you want to go in depth then do the full blown part of me wants to say that
1465. 01:45:19 So on that topic specifically, let me address that because sure they're following the strengths finder model
1466. 01:45:25 But strengths finders is a better deal because what you get when you buy the strengths finder book
1467. 01:45:31 is a code to use the paid assessment
1468. 01:45:36 But you only gives you your top five areas or something like that
1469. 01:45:40 But it gives you the content that you need to learn something from those five areas
1470. 01:45:45 And that's an added value to the book that you've already paid for
1471. 01:45:48 With this book you pay 20 bucks, whatever it comes in the mail then you find out there's a free assessment
1472. 01:45:53 And it's like they designed the free assessment
1473. 01:45:55 Through the lens of no one's paid anything for this yet
1474. 01:45:59 But you don't even know about the free assessment until you've already paid for the book
1475. 01:46:02 So what you get from the free assessment is
1476. 01:46:05 not really anything
1477. 01:46:08 And you got to go back and read the book yourself in order to draw any sort of conclusions
1478. 01:46:12 I wish they would have given like the descriptions of the different areas like I got with the paid version in the free version
1479. 01:46:19 And made that like a light version that they charge 10 bucks for and they give you a code in the book
1480. 01:46:24 I feel like that produces a much more palatable
1481. 01:46:28 Upsell for them from buying the book to the full assessment
1482. 01:46:33 Yeah, I I don't disagree with you
1483. 01:46:35 It makes me wonder how they got to where they
1484. 01:46:38 Are I can easily see like the full assessment you're talking about because of the extras that you're talking about it totally is worth more than
1485. 01:46:46 A free code from the book. So at that I totally understand. I don't think they're wrong
1486. 01:46:51 In the dollar amount that they've put on things
1487. 01:46:55 But if you like for example when you take the free one, it's just a three bullet list
1488. 01:47:00 It tells you absolutely nothing about those. So if I were to take that test cover page and one additional page
1489. 01:47:06 Yeah, three icons on it. It literally only said collaborate be central demonstrate new learning. That is all it said
1490. 01:47:12 There was no this it didn't even tell me what family that was from exactly it just told me those three titles and that was it
1491. 01:47:19 so
1492. 01:47:20 When we say when you take the test all you're getting is those three
1493. 01:47:24 That is it that I'm not exaggerating that it's weak sauce
1494. 01:47:28 So how to rate this and beating around the bush because I don't know what to do
1495. 01:47:32 Because again, it's like how do you all right? So
1496. 01:47:37 From a book stance if I'm separating it from the assessment and again
1497. 01:47:41 You know, you're going to take that if you buy the book
1498. 01:47:45 so
1499. 01:47:48 I don't know that if you were to buy this and not like the type of person who would buy this and not take the assessment
1500. 01:47:54 I don't know what type of person that is
1501. 01:47:56 um, it's not me
1502. 01:47:58 but
1503. 01:47:59 Because I again I put the book down for two days while I
1504. 01:48:02 Weighted to take the assessment because I didn't have the 30 minutes to drop into because I would normally read in like five and 10 minute
1505. 01:48:08 Uh
1506. 01:48:10 spacings between things that's when I do a lot of my reading so
1507. 01:48:13 To sit down and do a 30 minute. I have to make sure I've got time set aside for that
1508. 01:48:17 So
1509. 01:48:19 Whenever I did do that it was worth it. So I think a lot of people are going to do that
1510. 01:48:24 Under it assuming that this is solid and I and there's not some underlying fundamental flaw that I'm
1511. 01:48:31 Missing I think I'm going to put this at a four
1512. 01:48:35 I'm going to put it at 4.0
1513. 01:48:38 I don't think I can go and just completely divorce the assessment
1514. 01:48:42 I'm having a very hard time doing that mentally but again some of my qualms are the subtleties between some of these sub themes
1515. 01:48:51 Not really understanding what the broader scope of things are directly from the book
1516. 01:48:57 Without having to spend an extra 50 bucks
1517. 01:48:59 You know some of those things start to get to be a bit odd
1518. 01:49:03 As far as the overall experience if you want to look at it from that stance so you know, even if
1519. 01:49:08 Today not having that long-term
1520. 01:49:11 Understanding and solidifying things. I don't think I could in any way say this is a 5.0 today
1521. 01:49:20 I think maybe in a year's time I might say that
1522. 01:49:22 From an overall experience. I probably still wouldn't revise it after a year though, but I don't know
1523. 01:49:29 I'll quit beating around the bush. I'll say it's a 4.0 and I'll stay there. All right
1524. 01:49:34 Cool. Let's put the motivation code on the shelf
1525. 01:49:39 What's next? Yeah, so the next one we talked about this
1526. 01:49:43 Last time so last time we recorded this one had been released only by what two three days
1527. 01:49:50 Something like that. Yeah, and this is the practice by Seth Godin
1528. 01:49:54 shipping creative work
1529. 01:49:57 and
1530. 01:49:58 I don't have this in my hands yet
1531. 01:50:00 uh because I'm a slacker and ordered it late and
1532. 01:50:04 We'll have it in my hands on Monday, but it sounds
1533. 01:50:08 Very intriguing. I'm a big Seth Godin fan
1534. 01:50:11 So I think this will be a fun one to go through. Have we covered a Seth Godin book before?
1535. 01:50:15 I'm not sure that we have which is weird
1536. 01:50:18 But yeah, I I don't recall covering a Seth Godin book
1537. 01:50:22 I know that I've read a couple I have purple cow in front of me, but
1538. 01:50:26 I don't think we've actually covered a Seth Godin book which might be a sin that we need to rectify here
1539. 01:50:32 It's going to be remedied shortly
1540. 01:50:34 So anyway, that one's up next. What did you finally land on for after that?
1541. 01:50:40 Well
1542. 01:50:41 After that we've got the anti-Seth Godin so Seth Godin is an easy read typically
1543. 01:50:48 Cranked through those pretty quickly
1544. 01:50:50 Series of short essays this book looks a lot like that
1545. 01:50:53 But then after that I have a book which I had pre-ordered the new version of and I want to go through
1546. 01:51:00 It is
1547. 01:51:03 500
1548. 01:51:04 And 44 pages and so I asked you before we started recording if you were cool with this
1549. 01:51:10 And you said yes, you might only because we're covering Seth Godin first
1550. 01:51:14 Exactly
1551. 01:51:16 So after that we are going to read
1552. 01:51:19 bowling alone the collapse and revival of american community
1553. 01:51:25 And this was a book I believe we first heard about this when we recorded the author's corner episode with near iall
1554. 01:51:33 I've had a couple people bring it up since then
1555. 01:51:36 and
1556. 01:51:38 Yeah, this is going to be a
1557. 01:51:40 A big one. I know not what to expect from this
1558. 01:51:44 I think it's a topic that is going to be interesting and not the type of thing that we would normally cover on bookworms so
1559. 01:51:52 For people who want us to break out of our productivity self-help box
1560. 01:51:58 Here you go
1561. 01:52:01 You haven't selected sapiens yet chats pointing it out. I haven't i'm willing to especially after brainwash referenced it but
1562. 01:52:11 Yeah, this one I want to read more so dragon you along with me all right all right
1563. 01:52:16 How about a gap book you got one in between?
1564. 01:52:18 I have a gap book right here, but I am not going to even pick it up and read it
1565. 01:52:23 Because bowling alone is so big
1566. 01:52:26 so
1567. 01:52:28 No gap book this time
1568. 01:52:30 All right, i'm the same so no, I don't have any gap books
1569. 01:52:33 I probably should given thanksgiving is coming and i'm taking a week off but
1570. 01:52:38 No, I can start reading bowling alone. I know I think that's what i'm gonna end up doing
1571. 01:52:42 Hustle through seph goat and take a bunch of notes pick up bowling alone and be halfway done with it before we record seph goat's book
1572. 01:52:48 The timing of this one
1573. 01:52:52 Specifically is kind of interesting for me because we're in the middle of all this covid stuff. So
1574. 01:52:57 Yeah, we're not doing all the in-person stuff that we would normally do and so kind of the thought process behind this is
1575. 01:53:05 number one, you know, how do we
1576. 01:53:07 mitigate what's happening and
1577. 01:53:10 like
1578. 01:53:11 Do what we can
1579. 01:53:12 Uh, and number two when things go back to normal what should it look like
1580. 01:53:15 Quote unquote back to normal
1581. 01:53:18 People love it when we say quote unquote. It's true
1582. 01:53:21 All right, we've been talking way too much. Let's wrap this up. Okay. Thank you to everybody who supports the show
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1599. 01:54:34 It'll redirect both of those will redirect you where you need to be because you know
1600. 01:54:38 I like to demonstrate new learning. So there you are
1601. 01:54:42 So if you're following along with us pick up the practice by Seth Godin will cover it next time and
1602. 01:54:50 Hopefully we'll learn how to be more creative. Thanks team