151: The Story of You by Ian Morgan Cron

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1. 00:00:00 All right, I'm itching to get into this Enneagram stuff and
2. 00:00:02 Curious did you take the the assessment Joe I did awesome?
3. 00:00:08 We're gonna have a great conversation about that, but first we gotta crank through some follow-up
4. 00:00:12 Okay, so the question on everybody's mind is did you time-block?
5. 00:00:17 I did how to go. I usually at least attempt it
6. 00:00:20 That's usually what I do
7. 00:00:24 so the this this comes from
8. 00:00:27 Joe having angst around time blocking, but yet everybody tells me it's the thing I should do
9. 00:00:31 so I feel like I should continue to try to do this and
10. 00:00:33 It usually fails on me and yet I continue to think it's a thing. I should try
11. 00:00:39 so I attempted this once more this time with the intention of
12. 00:00:44 Let's do this in the mornings. Let's let's not attempt to do an all-day thing
13. 00:00:50 We're not gonna do the 24-hour thing that some people do. Do you do it 24 hours or do you just do like your work day?
14. 00:00:56 I think it's pointless to time-block sleeping because I protect those hours anyways
15. 00:01:02 I honestly you know how like you put in your sleep goals into the Apple Health thing and I always I don't know if
16. 00:01:08 It's the default or if I set it to get eight hours of sleep every night. That's my goal. I
17. 00:01:13 can count on
18. 00:01:15 One hand since they added that feature the number of days. I have not gotten eight hours of sleep and
19. 00:01:20 nice that is because of
20. 00:01:23 My history with the epilepsy diagnosis and all that we don't need to go rehash that whole story, but I
21. 00:01:29 Don't want to have a seizure, so I get lots of sleep
22. 00:01:33 nice, yeah, so I
23. 00:01:36 Guess in a sense you are time-blocking it. You're just not writing it down. Yeah, so that's a long answer for no
24. 00:01:43 I don't time-block those hours, but my waking hours basically yeah
25. 00:01:45 from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m.
26. 00:01:48 I feel like if I were to attempt to do that and
27. 00:01:52 Have attempted to do that many times it just doesn't seem to go well because there's so much of my day that I can't control and
28. 00:01:59 When you have a portion of your job that requires you to react a
29. 00:02:06 Significant amount of time I guess it gets kind of difficult to
30. 00:02:12 To time-block that so how like how do you handle when fires are going to come up? So what I was attempting to do is
31. 00:02:19 Let's time-block the mornings because it seems like the mornings I can usually control somewhat and
32. 00:02:24 yet I don't have to
33. 00:02:27 React as much during those times so I was attempting to do this and
34. 00:02:32 I will say I had some semblance of success with this one and
35. 00:02:37 I think that's because I'm
36. 00:02:40 Mostly able to kind of block off
37. 00:02:43 myself from
38. 00:02:46 And I'm pointing over here because that's where the door is it's currently shut with a recording sign on it
39. 00:02:50 but I'm generally able to block off a lot of the
40. 00:02:54 Distractions interactions in the mornings knowing that that's okay if I have time for that in the afternoon
41. 00:03:01 Like if I make that available to people
42. 00:03:03 It can be done now. I know that like Tuesdays are kind of a tough day for that
43. 00:03:08 Because that's when like the majority of our staff is in
44. 00:03:11 So Tuesdays have proven to be a bit of a challenge to make that one done
45. 00:03:15 So I was only time-blocking till about 10 o'clock on
46. 00:03:18 Tuesdays, but it seems to work okay
47. 00:03:22 and I say okay because I
48. 00:03:25 think the portions of it that fail for me yet are
49. 00:03:29 Potentially ADHD related not necessarily
50. 00:03:33 External problems. It's more of an internal
51. 00:03:37 Struggle that I work through we actually may get into some of this today, but this is
52. 00:03:41 This is forever the Joe struggle. I think but all that to say I think I had a little bit of success with it
53. 00:03:47 I want to kind of continue that
54. 00:03:49 Experiment we'll see if that comes of anything I say that knowing that as soon as we're done recording here
55. 00:03:55 I'm leaving for five days to go to a cabin with my in-laws and brother-in-law. So that'll be a fun
56. 00:04:00 Five-day vacation. So it'll be it'll be good, but I'm not time-blocking while I'm gone. Just gonna say that
57. 00:04:07 That would be strange for 45 minutes. We're gonna go fishing for an hour and a half
58. 00:04:11 We're gonna go out on the pontoon like not not doing that I
59. 00:04:15 Don't time-block the vacations and I generally don't time-block the weekends either
60. 00:04:21 Unless there's like a project that I'm trying to get done and I need the time to
61. 00:04:28 To work on it, but try to avoid that as much as I can so I'm with you on on that
62. 00:04:34 And yeah, I think you just time-block the part of your day that you can actually control
63. 00:04:39 Right and then you try to push a little bit further and
64. 00:04:43 Whatever direction you can once you establish that foundation
65. 00:04:47 Right. Yeah, and that seems to be what's working. So I'll continue the experiment. We'll see what comes of it
66. 00:04:53 But I finally had at least some form of a success with time-blocking. Nice job
67. 00:05:01 So you have three here how'd they go?
68. 00:05:04 Mix bag so add daily wins to my journal. I did this basically what I did is I
69. 00:05:11 Relabeled I had a learnings section that I didn't fill out very often
70. 00:05:16 Because the way I journal I basically have the template and have all the different things and the only thing I absolutely do every day
71. 00:05:22 Is the daily questions we've been over this before but I have the different categories in case there's something
72. 00:05:26 I want to add to like an entry or a gratitude or I have a section for like links that I've collected
73. 00:05:31 That pulls in from pinboard. So like there's a whole bunch of other stuff. I could put in here
74. 00:05:36 But I don't do that every single day
75. 00:05:40 So I reframe that as wins and I feel like that's gonna get me to put more things there
76. 00:05:44 I was listening to maybe a John Maxwell thing and talked about how you either win or you learn and I like that
77. 00:05:54 approach
78. 00:05:56 Like if you if something doesn't go the way that you want it to
79. 00:05:59 You can deconstruct it you can figure out
80. 00:06:02 What were the the factors and see if there's something there that you can change instead of just being like oh well
81. 00:06:08 The stars didn't align for me. You know the whole self-determination thing which is
82. 00:06:13 in my
83. 00:06:15 in my wheelhouse, so I
84. 00:06:17 Did that but that spurred a whole bunch of other changes to my daily note template
85. 00:06:22 Of course right it seems like whenever you make one small tweak to something you use all the time
86. 00:06:28 It has these massive cascading effects that you never planned on yeah, so I added to the top of my
87. 00:06:35 Daily note this bar for the the year which has like 12 different, you know for the things for the months and then a little
88. 00:06:43 ticker so you can see like where we are in August looks like a year timeline sort of a thing I
89. 00:06:49 also
90. 00:06:51 Found a code that shows the progression of time for the day the month the year and even wait
91. 00:06:58 But why style your life?
92. 00:07:00 Nice, so I have this little thing on every single daily note the progression of time and I can see that
93. 00:07:06 50% of my life if I'm a if my lifespan is the 80 years what you plug into like the the date of ujs code
94. 00:07:15 You know 50% of it is is done
95. 00:07:18 66% of the year is done 48% of the month is done 33% of the day is done
96. 00:07:22 So that's that's kind of cool and just updates every single single day
97. 00:07:26 I also found a way to get the and format the
98. 00:07:31 the
99. 00:07:34 titles for the images on like faith life calm the people behind logos they have
100. 00:07:39 These like verse of the day images
101. 00:07:43 Sure, so I figured out how to put that into the template so it pulled the the file for today
102. 00:07:49 drops it into my daily note
103. 00:07:51 Which they're always they're always well done and add a little bit of bit of color to my my obsidian
104. 00:07:58 and I'm also playing around with
105. 00:08:01 tracking some habits using the tracker plug-in and
106. 00:08:05 also
107. 00:08:09 embedding tasks from to-doist
108. 00:08:12 Just gonna slide that one in like it's no big deal. Yep. Let's just move on to the next one
109. 00:08:17 So we have add daily wins to your journal and that leads to adding an entire tool is that what's going on here?
110. 00:08:24 Kinda. Yeah, so I've been messing around with
111. 00:08:27 Test management and obsidian and with the task plug-in you can actually do a lot. I
112. 00:08:32 Think I probably could make that work
113. 00:08:34 But the thing that's missing for me is the ability to capture something quickly
114. 00:08:42 and I
115. 00:08:43 Don't want to have to like for the day job switch over to obsidian and
116. 00:08:49 Then capture a task
117. 00:08:51 And you can't even like quick capture it in obsidian
118. 00:08:54 You got to like pick the note that you want to put it to I guess I could just point it to like the daily note all the time
119. 00:08:59 But I don't I don't really want to do that and so to-doist has
120. 00:09:03 Good apps and they have quick entry shortcuts on the Mac and it's really easy to add stuff on iOS
121. 00:09:10 And it's basically I've come to the realization that almost all task apps
122. 00:09:14 Task management apps on Apple devices have the same core building blocks. You know you got tasks. You got projects. You got tags
123. 00:09:22 I guess you could do priorities whatever but like you can kind of build together your own system and pretty much any of these apps
124. 00:09:30 I'm gonna focus still has the killer feature with the review
125. 00:09:33 But other than that they're kind of the same
126. 00:09:36 Unless you're gonna major in task management and then you're not doing you can't say this out loud, right?
127. 00:09:41 Yeah, yeah, I know I'm gonna get flack for that
128. 00:09:45 but the more you go into
129. 00:09:48 All the specifics and take advantage of all the features of these task management apps the less work you actually do
130. 00:09:55 That's the theory. Yeah, that's what I've seen
131. 00:09:57 So for my basic use they're basically all the same
132. 00:10:01 anyways
133. 00:10:03 That's a divergence, but the other thing in
134. 00:10:06 Obsidian actually they're all kind of sitting related today
135. 00:10:10 But the next one was to build my quote book
136. 00:10:12 I'm working on this, but I still can't get it the way that I like it because
137. 00:10:16 Obsidian, I'm sorry. They don't have block references
138. 00:10:22 They have these little codes they add to the end of blocks that you can point to that block from other places, but it's not I
139. 00:10:31 Don't know. It's like 90% of the way there
140. 00:10:34 I'm really trying to recreate what I originally had in in room research
141. 00:10:38 And I just I just can't do it with the way Obsidian is put together and I tried all sorts of different things a lot of the ways
142. 00:10:44 People are doing quote books online is they put the entire quote in the title of the note
143. 00:10:49 So I started playing with that that could work except that there's character limits on how long the the titles can be
144. 00:10:57 So eventually I will find a longer quote that will not be able to fit there
145. 00:11:03 Do you want to know how I do that one because I do keep quotes in
146. 00:11:07 Obsidian, but the way I do it is now granted everything starts in drafts for me
147. 00:11:14 Yep
148. 00:11:15 So I tend to drop the quote in drafts and then I have a drafts action that will grab the first
149. 00:11:21 seven words and then put a dot dot dot at the end of it and that becomes the title of
150. 00:11:27 The note and then I drop the rest of it in the quote note itself
151. 00:11:31 And then I leave it there that's as far as it goes for me, but I just figured I'm not gonna overcomplicate it
152. 00:11:37 Yeah, I have a feeling that's what I'm gonna have to do is something like that which feels a little bit chanky to be honest
153. 00:11:44 Just because I like sure I had before
154. 00:11:46 But I don't think that's possible and I'll get over it. It'll be fine
155. 00:11:50 But still you're the only thing you're really trying to do is embed a piece of an existing note somewhere else
156. 00:11:56 Is that the idea because you want to be able to have a note? That's all the quotes and
157. 00:12:00 Then grab a piece of it to embed it elsewhere. Is that the idea? I don't want a single note. That's all the quotes
158. 00:12:05 That's the thing like I could I could do that and then I could have all the block references and things
159. 00:12:12 I
160. 00:12:13 don't
161. 00:12:14 Yeah, that doesn't look great
162. 00:12:17 Okay, when it's implemented in my opinion
163. 00:12:21 So I feel like with obsidian you kind of have to to do what I want to do
164. 00:12:26 You kind of have to have the quote speed notes themselves, but was hung up on the length the three dots
165. 00:12:32 I think that's probably what I'll end up doing
166. 00:12:33 There is a lot of advantage to having each quote as its own note
167. 00:12:36 Because then you can put in the yaml metadata and you could put like author in there
168. 00:12:40 You could put topic in there and then you could do data view queries to pull on that information
169. 00:12:46 And that's pretty cool
170. 00:12:47 You know, that's something that I could never do before other than just do a plain text search and hey
171. 00:12:51 Did I any quotes have this word in it? So?
172. 00:12:53 There's something there, but I still haven't cracked that nut. I
173. 00:12:58 Will use your suggestion though and just do the dot dot dot. I will say I haven't had an issue because then you can
174. 00:13:05 Like if you want to just put a link to the quote like it's just a shortened version so then it doesn't take up your entire
175. 00:13:12 Note that you're trying to link back to the quote from yep
176. 00:13:16 But it also makes the process of embedding that quote pretty simple because it doesn't take as much
177. 00:13:22 Typing to get there so yeah, that's what I find but I know that you use it in a lot more
178. 00:13:27 intense ways than I do
179. 00:13:30 Yeah, well
180. 00:13:34 We'll see I mean I broke my node with all my
181. 00:13:38 Images for true principles. So maybe I can break obsidian - we'll see
182. 00:13:42 We tried with the Bible note
183. 00:13:46 Perverse thing like it's almost broke history
184. 00:13:49 Well, it kind of breaks on iOS to be honest fortunately. I don't use it on iOS a whole lot, but sure
185. 00:13:56 Because iOS has this stupid thing where they try to keep your the manager
186. 00:14:01 Space on your device and I have tons of space available
187. 00:14:06 I don't want you to ever get rid of the notes that I've downloaded from obsidian
188. 00:14:11 But it does it all the time and it has to read down. I just want to wait for the folder
189. 00:14:15 Exactly just that's all I do never delete stuff from from this folder
190. 00:14:20 That's that would take care of it, but so it's not obsidian's fault, but
191. 00:14:23 Anyways, and the last one was to make a list of things to fix around my house
192. 00:14:29 I did this and of course it's in obsidian
193. 00:14:32 Good work now the question is are you working on that list? No, not yet
194. 00:14:39 I
195. 00:14:41 Will say it did feel good to actually make the list though because these are things that like I see all the time
196. 00:14:48 And then it's like oh yeah, I gotta do something about that now I at least have it in a list somewhere so
197. 00:14:52 When I see the broken light in our master master bathroom that isn't a light bulb needs to be rewired
198. 00:15:00 And I don't want to touch it, you know, it's like, you know
199. 00:15:02 I have that on the list and I'm gonna get to that eventually so you don't have to worry about that right now. Yeah, yep
200. 00:15:08 totally fair
201. 00:15:09 All right, so we get into today's book
202. 00:15:11 Yes, we should most certainly all right cuz I'm dying to know what type you are
203. 00:15:17 You do, huh? I want to know
204. 00:15:20 All right
205. 00:15:21 Well today's book is the story of you by Ian Morgan Grown and
206. 00:15:26 I have to apologize a little bit here because I assumed that
207. 00:15:31 we would get like a code to take the Enneagram and
208. 00:15:35 We didn't we got a push to take his $60 test which I did not do I
209. 00:15:42 Didn't either I
210. 00:15:45 Content of the book aside
211. 00:15:48 this
212. 00:15:50 is a strange
213. 00:15:52 Marketing device I actually don't think it's much of a marketing device having done a little bit more research on him and
214. 00:15:58 And seen some of the other stuff that he's he's done
215. 00:16:02 but it felt weird like you buy the
216. 00:16:05 Strengths finder book and you get the code to take the assessment like almost every other book that we've read has been
217. 00:16:11 Like that and this one's like yeah, I'm gonna explain these results
218. 00:16:14 But you need the results in order to really understand what this is gonna mean
219. 00:16:17 Oh, by the way, you can do that
220. 00:16:19 But it's 60 bucks for the cheap one and 120 bucks. I think for the big one
221. 00:16:23 It's yep, it's insanely expensive compared to all the other assessment types
222. 00:16:27 And I know that there are lots of free resources for Enneagram out there
223. 00:16:30 So I was a little bit taken aback by that at the beginning like what are you trying to do here?
224. 00:16:35 but
225. 00:16:37 Yeah, so we both took
226. 00:16:39 Unassessment I found one that was actually research based because there are different versions of the Enneagram and a lot of them are just
227. 00:16:46 Almost like Facebook quiz style answer five questions and we'll tell you your type and I feel like those aren't super valid the the larger
228. 00:16:53 sample size you have the better results are going to get and I found one by
229. 00:16:59 RHE TI I don't know what that stands for off top my head
230. 00:17:02 right, so Hudson Enneagram type indicator
231. 00:17:05 But that one looked like it had a whole institute behind it
232. 00:17:09 Yeah, and and they had done a bunch of research behind
233. 00:17:12 How they formulated their results and how the types tied together and things like that
234. 00:17:18 So Enneagram is basically like this
235. 00:17:20 framework that it seems like there are a lot of different people who take a lot of different
236. 00:17:24 Interpretations or creative license and how it actually gets get implemented
237. 00:17:29 Yeah, I took the one you sent me because you have so much interest in
238. 00:17:33 Studies and how they're done that I figured I'm not gonna argue with Mike on this so I just took the one that you
239. 00:17:40 Gave me and I have to say like it was
240. 00:17:44 What was it 144 questions and it was basically like pick the one that's most?
241. 00:17:50 most applicable and
242. 00:17:54 When I got the results back, it's like oh that kind of makes sense and then the more I read it's like wait
243. 00:17:59 I've got three that are like all
244. 00:18:02 Within two points of each other. It's like oh crud
245. 00:18:05 I don't ever get this whenever I do these tests like it's always like this one is very obvious the thing and
246. 00:18:11 In this particular case I had three that were like all at the top which
247. 00:18:16 Now I don't know what to do with that because
248. 00:18:20 Normally I don't have that problem. So now I have to try to figure this out between these three
249. 00:18:25 I think because it said that you know the top three are the ones that you're most likely to be
250. 00:18:30 Within so it's okay now. I gotta try to work this out. So thankfully I took it before I read it
251. 00:18:36 So I think I kind of know where I'm sitting but I think we'll get there
252. 00:18:41 The other interesting part about the Enneagram is that you basically pick your own type
253. 00:18:48 You pick the one that resonates with you
254. 00:18:50 so the assessments are basically like a starting point in the journey and then you figure out or just decide like this is the one that I am
255. 00:18:57 which is kind of
256. 00:19:00 interesting because
257. 00:19:02 You have more agency in deciding how you're going to
258. 00:19:07 implement the
259. 00:19:09 Strengths and the shadow side of all of these different types
260. 00:19:14 And really it's in your best interest to be as accurate as possible because there are things that you have to
261. 00:19:20 Deal with and work through in order to
262. 00:19:22 Realize the strengths of the the different types
263. 00:19:25 But that's different than a lot of assessments which are just you are this
264. 00:19:30 Right and now your entire life will change and fall in line with how this works
265. 00:19:36 You are this tendency
266. 00:19:41 Yeah, so I think this is kind of a cool approach and I know the Enneagram itself is kind of based off of a
267. 00:19:49 In the words of the Amazon description for today's book an ancient personality typing system
268. 00:19:55 So maybe that kind of leads to it. Maybe
269. 00:19:58 productivity books and business people weren't a thing when this existed and so
270. 00:20:05 They just flew under the radar and didn't have an opportunity to say this is the way things are
271. 00:20:11 Branded right branded their own way. I don't know I
272. 00:20:14 Don't know it's it's a fascinating way to do it because normally you would like you're saying you would have somebody tell you exactly
273. 00:20:23 Like here's your thing, but in this case, you know
274. 00:20:26 But for example, my wife is certain she knows what her type is and yet
275. 00:20:32 She's not taking the quiz like she just kind of read some of the descriptions
276. 00:20:35 She had somebody else tellers like you're this just like what so then she went and read about it
277. 00:20:39 Oh, yeah, that's me to a T hundred percent. So
278. 00:20:42 Even even folks who haven't taken the quiz. I feel like if you were to read like some of these synopsies of
279. 00:20:49 Of each of the types you could figure it out pretty quick. So I I say that knowing that because this is
280. 00:20:56 And to be honest, I didn't really think of this book as a sales pitch. I get that it it kind of is
281. 00:21:01 But even if you don't take the quiz
282. 00:21:06 I feel like you could get quite a bit of value out of this because when you get to the one that is you
283. 00:21:10 I
284. 00:21:11 Feel like you'll know it pretty quick. So I don't think there's a deterrent in
285. 00:21:16 The book if you haven't taken the quiz, but like you're saying
286. 00:21:20 There are cheaper ways to do it. I did go take the exact same one you did that way
287. 00:21:24 We were both kind of on same footing with it. I didn't even look into his because by the time I got to that point
288. 00:21:30 You'd already sent me a link
289. 00:21:31 So like oh, okay, so I just completely skipped it and went on it. I did not know it was that expensive. So
290. 00:21:38 Maybe don't do that. I don't know. It's weird
291. 00:21:40 The way you're saying it like that. I don't know why you would
292. 00:21:44 Sell a book to explain results of a test that you have to pay the take like it just seems weird to do it that way
293. 00:21:51 But I hadn't connected all those dots till you explained it a minute ago
294. 00:21:54 Well, I'm intrigued by it now to be honest. I kind of want to take it because
295. 00:21:59 He also has a podcast called typology
296. 00:22:06 Which he mentions a few times I think in in here, but it's not
297. 00:22:11 Really like a big self promotion thing, right?
298. 00:22:15 I should also say his main job if you want to call it that I guess is he's an episcopal priest and
299. 00:22:21 And that is something I've heard about the Enneagram is that it is kind of rooted in Christian theology
300. 00:22:31 I didn't see that come through in any of the assessments that I took
301. 00:22:36 But I guess if you're looking for that and I really put off by that be aware that
302. 00:22:41 it seems like a lot of the
303. 00:22:43 Christian circles tend to like the Enneagram for for some reason
304. 00:22:48 It just seems like a personalized assessment to me. So whatever
305. 00:22:52 Yeah, I I was
306. 00:22:55 Obviously as a Christian I didn't
307. 00:22:57 Like it wasn't off-putting to me, but later on in the book he
308. 00:23:03 Eventually like he starts bringing in quite a bit of biblical references and such which I was not prepared for
309. 00:23:09 I didn't know that was coming at all
310. 00:23:11 But it made sense the way he explains it
311. 00:23:15 So there is that component if you're gonna pick up the book if that's off-putting to you just be aware of it
312. 00:23:21 Yeah, I really don't think it's
313. 00:23:24 That's not very pushy. No, it's it's not and a lot of the the content of the Enneagram itself
314. 00:23:33 Really, there's there's not
315. 00:23:35 Anything religious there
316. 00:23:37 I bring up typology because I listened to an episode and it was fascinating to hear him talk to somebody else and kind of act as the
317. 00:23:47 Therapist, I guess you know the person who was on the the show was
318. 00:23:51 Somebody who had achieved a lot and was a three will get into the specifics here
319. 00:23:56 But it was kind of interesting to hear her tell her story and then him just kind of comment
320. 00:24:02 here and there and
321. 00:24:04 Everything that he added was like pretty profound and you could tell like he really understands this stuff
322. 00:24:10 So after listening to that, I kind of do want to take his assessment see what additional information is is in there
323. 00:24:17 I don't know that he's the guy for the Enneagram. There's also another app called the any app which has like a
324. 00:24:24 $2.99 in app purchase
325. 00:24:26 for all of the information with the types and
326. 00:24:30 Has a version of the assessment that you can take in there
327. 00:24:34 I took that one too and that confirmed the results that I got from the R H E T I
328. 00:24:38 So that one's probably pretty decent as well and much less expensive the R H E T I by the way
329. 00:24:44 I think was like $12 so it really really wasn't bad
330. 00:24:47 But the book itself is broken out into 12 different chapters
331. 00:24:52 I think we have to talk about all the chapters probably, but they'll also go pretty fast. I think
332. 00:24:58 Chapter one is the stories we tell chapter two changing your story chapter three
333. 00:25:02 Starts with the eight story and then goes in order
334. 00:25:06 I don't quite understand that one but it goes to the eights the nines and then it goes one two three four five six
335. 00:25:12 Yeah, exactly
336. 00:25:14 Which he he explains a little bit in what was it is a chapter two maybe yep
337. 00:25:20 that the reason for that is because there's like triads correct these and
338. 00:25:26 You want to start at the beginning of those triads which means that in order to cover the one first
339. 00:25:31 He has to cover the ones triad which actually starts with number eight
340. 00:25:35 correct, so that's why he has to do it that way, but
341. 00:25:38 If you read the table of contents like I did and you see chapter three starts with eight
342. 00:25:45 Like my my analytical brain is like why can't the ones story be chapter one? Yep? Oh?
343. 00:25:53 Killed me because then like if you want to hear about the seven story you go to chapter 11 like oh and there
344. 00:25:58 We have a clue for what type Joe is
345. 00:26:00 correct. Yes
346. 00:26:03 Yeah, so it is different and I got admit I don't really understand all the triad stuff yet
347. 00:26:09 I also don't understand the wings, but
348. 00:26:11 whatever so
349. 00:26:14 Let's start here with chapter one, which is the
350. 00:26:20 stories we tell and
351. 00:26:23 I just jotted down a couple of things for this in my my node file and this basically
352. 00:26:31 He's laying the foundation for why you should care about this stuff
353. 00:26:35 He says that the the Enneagram not only reveals our types
354. 00:26:39 But it exposes the broken stories we tend to tell and this is a theme that
355. 00:26:44 Happens not just in this book, but also in the the podcast that I was listening to is the focus on
356. 00:26:51 the brokenness when you're struggling
357. 00:26:54 with your type and then kind of the redemption that happens when you figure it out and you
358. 00:27:00 flow in your strength and there's different words there that he uses passion and
359. 00:27:07 Virtue passion being the negative one virtue being the the positive one
360. 00:27:11 So I like this though this framing
361. 00:27:14 about we're all just in the middle of our own stories and
362. 00:27:19 If you want to live a different story
363. 00:27:22 You have the ability to do that and that's basically the Enneagram in a nutshell
364. 00:27:28 You pick the story for the type that you want to live and then you model your life after after that
365. 00:27:34 And maybe model is like gives the wrong impression because it's not like you completely change
366. 00:27:39 Everything it's just kind of your perspective and how you go about the things that you do as we get into the types
367. 00:27:45 If there's one that resonates with you, you you understand like oh, yeah, this is why I do this
368. 00:27:50 Maybe I could do this instead, you know and that is kind of interesting, but that's basically chapter one anything else you want to add there
369. 00:27:59 The only thing I want to add is that in chapter one he he's basically telling his story
370. 00:28:05 And I'm not gonna go into the details of that but at the end of that process
371. 00:28:11 he has a mentor who's
372. 00:28:15 Helping him understand kind of himself and he asks Ian
373. 00:28:19 The question do you ever wonder if you're living in the wrong story and oh I forgot about that. I love that part
374. 00:28:26 Yeah, it's it's a pretty fundamental like crux. I think almost for the entire book
375. 00:28:31 Because of the way he's laying it out, but it's his point is that
376. 00:28:36 You might be making choices and you might be living a certain way
377. 00:28:40 But that doesn't mean that's where you are
378. 00:28:45 Best suited or it's not necessarily playing into your strengths. You're not becoming aware of your weaknesses
379. 00:28:50 Like there's so many different ways you can take that but that question
380. 00:28:55 Do you ever wonder if you're living in the wrong story?
381. 00:28:57 Is fairly profound I would say and it's it's one that's I don't want to say haunted
382. 00:29:04 but it hasn't left me alone since reading the question and
383. 00:29:07 It's I could see how that could play out for a lot of people
384. 00:29:12 you know look at your life right now and
385. 00:29:15 if
386. 00:29:16 there's
387. 00:29:18 aspects of that you feel are
388. 00:29:20 uncomfortable or you're struggling with
389. 00:29:22 Maybe you're taking yourself down the wrong path. That's ultimately I guess what I'm getting it
390. 00:29:28 But anyway, I appreciated the question, but I know you like questions. I do love me some questions
391. 00:29:33 That's actually the perfect place to go into chapter two. I think because chapter two is changing your story and
392. 00:29:41 This is where he explains that many people feel sorry for themselves while they're living in the wrong story
393. 00:29:48 And we for whatever reason tend to be fiercely loyal to our broken stories
394. 00:29:53 he mentions that all transformation starts with story transformation and
395. 00:29:59 I can 100% get on board with the direction that he's going with with this
396. 00:30:07 Then he also talks about how each an eogram type has a passion and a virtue says that your passion is the source of your suffering
397. 00:30:13 That's kind of interesting
398. 00:30:16 But it's also not something to be eliminated because that passion that source of your suffering according to the an eogram
399. 00:30:23 when you learn to channel that
400. 00:30:26 It becomes a virtue or a strength
401. 00:30:30 And he's got this little acronym thing for how we're supposed to change called sore C own awaken and rewrite
402. 00:30:38 See this is a much better acronym than whatever that one was from C. I can't even remember it
403. 00:30:44 It failed you don't even need to remember it is terrible from the last book. Yeah, and he also
404. 00:30:50 introduces the idea of a gear kanta
405. 00:30:52 I don't know if I'm saying that right, but that is acting against
406. 00:30:56 So the whole idea behind the end your gram is you identify your type you identify the passion the struggle the source of your suffering and
407. 00:31:04 You act against it so you can express it
408. 00:31:08 positively as a virtue is that a fair description of
409. 00:31:13 The end of your gram to this point. I think so it's basically trying to figure out
410. 00:31:20 You know he likes this analogy of the story which I'm totally with which is why he starts off with Donald Miller on
411. 00:31:26 this particular chapter and how Donald Miller changed his own story to help lose weight blah blah blah but
412. 00:31:32 he he does lay out how
413. 00:31:35 each of these revolves around
414. 00:31:38 Your story itself which is fitting because when he explains each of these he tells a story to begin with like that's that's how he
415. 00:31:48 Explains each of these and it's even called that the nines story the threes story
416. 00:31:54 So yep, it does make a lot of sense and it's easy to resonate with that. So yeah, I think you did well
417. 00:32:00 Cool and I did not make this connection so you brought up the Donald Miller story again
418. 00:32:05 I do remember that one and the story of how he changed his story lost weight
419. 00:32:09 But that was a very small snippet and we got a much larger version of that story in hero on a mission right and
420. 00:32:18 I guess
421. 00:32:20 This is where we make our obligatory mention of how to read a book and how that's impacted us
422. 00:32:26 And how we didn't write it well and probably should have you should probably go back and redo that one at some point
423. 00:32:33 But that's one of those things where like I just
424. 00:32:37 That mention of that story
425. 00:32:39 Impacted me probably a lot different than someone who's just picking up this one and they're like oh yeah
426. 00:32:44 You know a guy who lost a bunch of weight. That's cool
427. 00:32:46 Like we had a very descriptive visual of that because Donald Miller is a very good storyteller himself and
428. 00:32:53 We read that that book and so we have the context for for that story. It's kind of interesting to me
429. 00:32:58 The longer we go with bookworm the more
430. 00:33:03 The world's created by these books overlap
431. 00:33:07 Yeah, and the more context you get just because you've read other things not even from the words that are on the page of the
432. 00:33:15 The book that we're we're looking at so
433. 00:33:17 And I and I just to piggyback on that I I would say that this is probably why
434. 00:33:24 You know books and authors
435. 00:33:27 like those of Ryan holiday tend to rank pretty well with us and it's probably because
436. 00:33:34 You know in in holidays case he's so well
437. 00:33:37 Read and so well versed in
438. 00:33:41 What other books are out there that he kind of breaks out of that he doesn't tell the stories you hear in every other book
439. 00:33:46 He goes and finds the stories you've not heard before so he does kind of break out of that which is very refreshing
440. 00:33:52 At least for me
441. 00:33:54 Since it's something new whereas it's in books like this like you were just saying with Donald Miller story
442. 00:34:01 Well, we just read that whole thing so
443. 00:34:03 This feels like a real small snippet and then you can put it in the context of
444. 00:34:07 his entire story that we've already
445. 00:34:10 Been through
446. 00:34:12 So it does start to put a lot of pieces together, but that's also why we like the ones who don't fit the mold
447. 00:34:17 That's an interesting brings up an interesting
448. 00:34:21 question for me
449. 00:34:23 because I am in the the process of
450. 00:34:27 writing a book and I don't know exactly what it's going to I
451. 00:34:32 Don't know if it's going to be self-published or if it's I'm gonna try to hook up with a publisher or whatever
452. 00:34:37 But I know I need to to write this thing
453. 00:34:40 So I've been thinking over like if I'm bringing in all these other
454. 00:34:44 Stories and all these other dots how much do I share because I think the tendency is well
455. 00:34:49 You have to assume people have never heard this before so I'm gonna tell the whole story of Donald Miller
456. 00:34:53 Right, but that's not what Ian Morgan crown did. It's just like a very small
457. 00:34:58 Piece of it and if you want, you know, you can go find that he doesn't even point you to the right direction
458. 00:35:03 He doesn't say go read his hero on a mission book. I'm a Miller. Yeah
459. 00:35:07 Leaves it you want more to figure it out. Yeah, which I kind of like that
460. 00:35:13 So I think I'm gonna try to lean more that direction when I I write mine
461. 00:35:18 please do
462. 00:35:20 All right, the next
463. 00:35:22 chapter here chapter three is
464. 00:35:26 the eights story
465. 00:35:29 So the eight story the eight is the challenger
466. 00:35:33 The passion for the eight is according to Ian Morgan crown lust and the virtue is
467. 00:35:39 Innocence
468. 00:35:42 Yeah, I got a whole bunch of stuff here for each of these but I don't really want to just crank through all the different notes
469. 00:35:47 I have here. I guess I would say
470. 00:35:50 that the eight tends to develop a confidence in their own ability and
471. 00:35:58 They tend to view
472. 00:36:03 their strength and
473. 00:36:05 Others weaknesses as the thing that is
474. 00:36:08 Going to help them achieve success kind of the shadow side of the eight he talks about is that they could be
475. 00:36:14 controlling of
476. 00:36:17 Others and they have to realize that
477. 00:36:19 vulnerability is not a weakness
478. 00:36:23 Anything you want to add here to the eight story? I
479. 00:36:28 would say
480. 00:36:31 you know
481. 00:36:33 Part of the issue I think maybe you're struggling with that
482. 00:36:36 I'm gonna struggle with too is that there's so much of this that's done in story form and it's hard almost hard to summarize
483. 00:36:42 What what is what is going on for each of these?
484. 00:36:46 Stories that in this case the eight story
485. 00:36:49 But there's a lot of little snippets that can come out so like in this case
486. 00:36:54 For an eight conflict can actually become their way of expressing intimacy
487. 00:36:59 Eights earn their anger honestly like there's all sorts of stuff that come with this
488. 00:37:03 Eights can be fiercely protective and coach others on how they should fight harder
489. 00:37:07 Like there's there's a lot of those little tiny bits that can come out. Yeah, but it doesn't really have a
490. 00:37:12 A place that you can go that says oh here's all the things that would tell you about an eight like it's not a quick
491. 00:37:18 summarization
492. 00:37:20 process
493. 00:37:21 But yes, I think overall it's tend to be a very strong big
494. 00:37:27 what do I say I don't want to say powerful but a very confident and
495. 00:37:32 Not domineering but forceful person I guess
496. 00:37:38 But that's fair you get what I'm trying to say
497. 00:37:41 What I do like about the approach to each of these stories is that he or each of these chapters is that he he does follow that sore
498. 00:37:48 framework and so he kind of ends it with this is how to
499. 00:37:54 Express this positively or this is kind of like where you want to go towards and so at the end of this chapter
500. 00:38:00 He talks about how healthy eights care more about serving those who are following them then exercising power over them
501. 00:38:07 so
502. 00:38:09 Yeah, the eight is kind of
503. 00:38:11 Born for conflict and they challenge everything
504. 00:38:14 Hence the the name the challenge right?
505. 00:38:17 Should you go into the next one?
506. 00:38:20 Yes, yeah, I feel like we can kind of get through them. Then maybe it's been a little more time on our own results. Maybe let's do it
507. 00:38:26 All right, so the next one is
508. 00:38:29 the nine's story and
509. 00:38:32 the nine is the peacemaker the
510. 00:38:35 Passion for the peacemaker is sloth the virtue is right action and the nine basically believes it's up to them to maintain unity and avoid
511. 00:38:45 conflict
512. 00:38:47 The problem with this approach is that nine's often become invisible rather than stand up for their needs feelings and preferences
513. 00:38:55 And they feel that what they want doesn't really matter
514. 00:38:58 And this is kind of the negative expression of a a nine if you want to frame it that way
515. 00:39:01 They don't want to threaten a connection with someone so they choose not to assert their own agenda
516. 00:39:06 They can become passive aggressive as resentment grows over how they need to accommodate others just to keep peace and
517. 00:39:17 I had my wife take this assessment as well. She is a a nine
518. 00:39:22 Which was interesting because when she read the names she thought she was gonna be a
519. 00:39:29 Four I think that's the the romantic
520. 00:39:32 The one that tends to be
521. 00:39:35 Individual I think according to the art she ti yeah, but according to right pretty Ian Morgan crown he frames it a little bit different
522. 00:39:43 That's the one that tends to be really creative and so she's like oh yeah
523. 00:39:46 Obviously that one is me but then when she took the assessment she got the result back for the nine. She's like actually that's spot on
524. 00:39:53 Nice yeah, one of the there is a list here of like some of the
525. 00:40:00 difficulties or struggles that each of these deal with and just a few of these that come from the nine
526. 00:40:08 What I want doesn't really matter
527. 00:40:11 Everything is okay. If there's no conflict. It's best not to be too affected by life. I'm a nice person who doesn't get angry
528. 00:40:17 I'm okay as long as everyone else is okay. Like sometimes those phrases kind of help me now again
529. 00:40:22 Some of those are more negative than positive of course
530. 00:40:25 But sometimes it's easier for us to see the negatives in ourselves than the positives
531. 00:40:28 So if that helps for you to resonate with one of them right
532. 00:40:32 All right the next one chapter five. Oops. I did it. Sorry the one's story
533. 00:40:38 This is the improver and
534. 00:40:42 Their passion is anger
535. 00:40:46 their virtue is
536. 00:40:49 Serenity which is kind of a strange one I think
537. 00:40:54 ones are
538. 00:40:56 Typically remarkably mature as as children are seen that way
539. 00:40:59 They tend to follow the rules and they set a good example, but those high standards eventually become a burden
540. 00:41:07 They work hard to be perfect and wonder why others can't relate
541. 00:41:11 They believe it's their job to make the world a better place
542. 00:41:14 They right wrongs wherever they find them
543. 00:41:18 And they have trouble recognizing that their perfectionism is the source of their unhappiness
544. 00:41:25 I mean there's there's other stuff in here, but that's that's the gist of it
545. 00:41:29 Yeah, they're they're always looking to improve themselves and to be good
546. 00:41:34 Some of those phrases that are in this one what I should do is more important than what I want to do
547. 00:41:40 I'll finally be happy when I'm perfect. I need to be good so people will like me
548. 00:41:44 I need to be right all the time. I have to maintain control if I relax
549. 00:41:47 everything will
550. 00:41:49 Hit the fan the risk of being criticized or judge is not worth the shame and self-judgment
551. 00:41:54 It could cause so you can kind of get a feel for like they they want to continually improve things but have control of things
552. 00:42:03 Exactly
553. 00:42:04 One of the things that they talk about that's important for ones at the end is that they need to make rest a priority
554. 00:42:10 Schedule vacations days off and in downtime to recharge which is kind of interesting
555. 00:42:16 They are fully alive to the need to be better tomorrow than they are today
556. 00:42:22 The lifetime task of a one is to learn to occasionally ignore duty celebrate and enjoy life
557. 00:42:28 All right the next one
558. 00:42:32 is
559. 00:42:33 the two and
560. 00:42:35 the two is the helper
561. 00:42:37 the passion of the two is pride and
562. 00:42:41 the virtue of the two is humility and
563. 00:42:47 They see themselves as the helpers they have trouble asking for help themselves because they don't want to appear selfish and
564. 00:42:55 They end up putting others wants and needs above their own
565. 00:43:01 While they're young they learn to disown their own needs and focus on helping those around them
566. 00:43:05 They are people pleasers they tend to adjust their image to make people like them and
567. 00:43:11 They gravitate towards meeting the needs of others in ways that reflect their own. Yeah, and some some more of these phrases
568. 00:43:18 My needs are so great. They will overpower anyone who sees them
569. 00:43:22 People like people who are always cheery and who flatter them people who know me should already know what I need
570. 00:43:28 If I express my needs others will reject and abandon me this kind of to me
571. 00:43:32 That's kind of strange like if you're still willing to help someone else
572. 00:43:36 Wouldn't you be willing to ask for help so if somebody else could have that same feeling?
573. 00:43:40 Anyway, I probably want too much winning the approval of others is key to my feeling
574. 00:43:45 Wordy, I guess I guess one of the things that kind of stands out to me is there so much like externalizing of your own worth with that
575. 00:43:52 So I could see how that could get to be pretty difficult
576. 00:43:55 All right, the next one is the three
577. 00:43:59 the three is
578. 00:44:02 the performer the passion of the per of the three is
579. 00:44:06 Deceit and the virtue is authenticity
580. 00:44:10 which is a little bit strange when you
581. 00:44:15 first hear that I will add that the
582. 00:44:18 Typology podcast episode that I listened to I mentioned that was a three and so having listened to that
583. 00:44:24 I see this a lot better now than having just read the book itself
584. 00:44:28 basically
585. 00:44:31 The the story that was mentioned on the the podcast was this person was really successful early on in their life
586. 00:44:38 And then they just did everything that they could to maintain that external picture in people's eyes
587. 00:44:43 So early in life from the book now three is confirmed to the expectations of the important people in their life
588. 00:44:50 They tend to struggle with feeling like they can't be loved for who they are
589. 00:44:53 It's all based on what they do
590. 00:44:54 They can feel like their dreams don't matter. They have to follow their family's expectations
591. 00:44:58 They want to make their parents proud, but they don't realize it when they do
592. 00:45:02 one of the stories you mentioned in the book that kind of hit me was I think it was Jeff Goins
593. 00:45:07 Was a three and he's talking to his dad and he's like I just want you to be proud of something that I do his dad's like
594. 00:45:14 I'm proud of everything that you've done
595. 00:45:17 Yeah, and a very short story about that that really
596. 00:45:22 Hit me
597. 00:45:24 I'm not tipping my hat by the way to the one that I am. This is not me
598. 00:45:28 Yeah, it is interesting too because
599. 00:45:32 You know as I mentioned he does tell a story for each of these
600. 00:45:36 Do you know as he gives last names on all of them like you could go hunt these people down with a
601. 00:45:43 search
602. 00:45:45 And and figure out kind of their background and such
603. 00:45:48 Normally people try to obscure
604. 00:45:51 The identity of these folks, but not at all here. He's got full names. You can go learn all about him
605. 00:45:58 So anyway for the threes some more of these phrases
606. 00:46:02 I'd be happier if I were more successful if I'm not number one. I'm nothing the world rewards doing not being I'm
607. 00:46:10 Valuable when others admire me failure isn't an option if you're not a somebody you're nobody
608. 00:46:14 It's okay to wear a mask to win over different types of people
609. 00:46:17 But I think you know the the thing that probably stands out the most to me about this one is the whole deceit versus authenticity piece that you were talking about
610. 00:46:26 Like okay, I value authenticity so much that I'm going to deceive people in order to maintain that
611. 00:46:34 Yeah, it just seems kind of backwards, but yet that's
612. 00:46:38 That sort of thing happens with all of these. I'm not just calling out the threes here
613. 00:46:43 Like there are a lot of those for each of these types. I
614. 00:46:47 Wonder if the reason he uses the last names is
615. 00:46:51 Because they have appeared as guests on his podcast
616. 00:46:55 Because the podcast has been around for quite a while
617. 00:46:59 I was pretty impressed by the number of episodes that they had in the back look
618. 00:47:05 I didn't count them all up, but there must have been hundreds
619. 00:47:07 So it wouldn't surprise me if he has relationships with these people that he's had him on the podcast and sure
620. 00:47:13 The podcasts are always like this episode with this person where the last name is
621. 00:47:19 Yeah, published obviously there. Yeah, that makes sense
622. 00:47:23 But yeah, this is a this is an interesting one
623. 00:47:26 Like sevens and eights threes can be aggressive in getting what they want. They tend to be highly competitive
624. 00:47:32 They're not sure how to respond to the emotional needs of others because they can be out of touch with their own
625. 00:47:37 They tend to equate their worth with their accomplishments. They struggle with work-life balance
626. 00:47:42 they always feel on and
627. 00:47:44 This is the point in the book where I was like I need to listen to this typology podcast
628. 00:47:51 That was actually an action item I jotted down
629. 00:47:54 But I couldn't wait until after we recorded so I've actually started listening to it already and it's pretty good nice
630. 00:48:00 It's uh
631. 00:48:02 It's probably not like a lot of the other podcasts that I listened to and I'm guessing a lot of the listeners of bookworm
632. 00:48:11 Would listen to
633. 00:48:13 It's it's really it's he's got a producer that he works with so it's like very polished and kind of like
634. 00:48:23 NPR style
635. 00:48:25 But not all the way that way and then also I would say it's got tinges of like your your standard productivity podcast stuff in there
636. 00:48:34 But it's yeah, it it's a
637. 00:48:38 It's a good mix. I feel and lands in a sweet spot of like this feels like a unique sort of thing and
638. 00:48:44 Very entertaining the couple of episodes that I've I've listened to one and I've started listening to another
639. 00:48:50 So it'll probably stick around for me just till I get bored with any of Graham at least
640. 00:48:55 Give it a month and you'll be done. Yeah, we'll see we'll see
641. 00:49:01 All right, the next one is
642. 00:49:04 the fours story and
643. 00:49:07 The four is the romantic according to Ian Morgan crown anyway
644. 00:49:12 the passion is envy the virtue is equanimity and
645. 00:49:16 Fours feel like they don't fit in when they're young
646. 00:49:21 They usually feel unseen or misunderstood and by the way a lot of the notes and the stories that he shares in these different chapters
647. 00:49:27 As I'm sharing this information. They all start with like when they're young because typically that's when you sort of form your
648. 00:49:32 Your type
649. 00:49:35 Which is kind of interesting to me. It's not like you're just born this this way
650. 00:49:38 You are kind of our product of your environment and if you have these like traumatic things that happen to you then
651. 00:49:42 Working through them a certain way could end up making you lean towards a certain type
652. 00:49:49 But again going all the way back to the beginning you have the power to change your story
653. 00:49:52 So just because you grew up before it doesn't mean you're stuck in a forward like you can be whatever you want
654. 00:49:57 You just need the motivation to live it out basically
655. 00:50:00 For is tend to pursue loss law from a vague feeling that they were abandoned and that it was their fault
656. 00:50:05 They regularly switch interest or jump clicks. They protect and or project an image
657. 00:50:11 That of specialness or uniqueness in order to feel appreciated
658. 00:50:14 They feel things more deeply than other people they feel like a misfit and they always find the other misfits
659. 00:50:21 They can be moody or unpredictable full of creative ideas, but have trouble following throughout them
660. 00:50:28 Tend to be depressed and irritable when not creating they don't shy away from the big questions
661. 00:50:32 They willingly engage with the heavy stuff and can sit out anything fake easily and seek authenticity
662. 00:50:38 Yeah, and some more of these phrases here is probably my fault when a relationship goes south I
663. 00:50:44 Feel things more deeply than other people. You kind of just mention that one life will always be vaguely disappointing
664. 00:50:49 Pretty cheery I'm magically special because I'm defective. I'll be abandoned
665. 00:50:54 It's interesting at those two are back-to-back in this list
666. 00:50:57 I will be denied the love I seek. I will never be understood. I can't be ordinary
667. 00:51:01 There's a lot of conflicting things in this one as well, but this is one where
668. 00:51:07 In the ready that you and I took the re our H E T I they call it the individual list
669. 00:51:14 I don't know why they had would have different names is this not a normalized thing?
670. 00:51:17 I guess I don't know that any of Graham that well, but it seems strange that they'd have two different names for it
671. 00:51:22 Yeah, good question. I did not dig into this, but my guess is that
672. 00:51:30 There are people who have tried to update it and
673. 00:51:35 Kind of like a
674. 00:51:38 You know different Bible translation, you know make it more modern. Oh sure. I will guess that's what that's what Ian's feels like to me
675. 00:51:45 Yeah, yeah, and that does make sense. I know this is one that
676. 00:51:50 Thankfully, honestly, I was I was a bit nervous when I got to this one because he calls out very early on that he's a four
677. 00:51:56 Yeah, and typically when you have something like this and the author obviously has to identify
678. 00:52:02 themselves as which one they are and
679. 00:52:04 Normally when you would get to the one that they are they spend a little more time on it because they like it
680. 00:52:10 They resonate it and on with it, and it's theirs
681. 00:52:12 He didn't do that. So I was grateful that he kind of just kept the same approach
682. 00:52:18 He didn't you know make it sound like it's the one that you should have and this is the one you should be because I'm this one
683. 00:52:24 Like he doesn't take that approach like some people do so I did appreciate that he at least kept it on an even keel there
684. 00:52:31 Yeah, that sounds ridiculous, but it's totally true that it is a lot of other places
685. 00:52:37 Yeah, all right the next one is
686. 00:52:40 the five and
687. 00:52:44 the five is the investigator the passion for the five is
688. 00:52:50 Averus not sure if I'm saying that right, but basically it is
689. 00:52:54 Immodurate desire for wealth is the dictionary definition
690. 00:52:59 the virtue is
691. 00:53:02 non-attachment and
692. 00:53:04 When we get into some of this other stuff you'll see why the Averus fits they tend to seek mastery and they love learning
693. 00:53:12 They tend to be drained by prolonged social interaction have a natural tendency towards attachment isolation and analysis and four or five
694. 00:53:20 knowledge is power
695. 00:53:22 They have the thickest personal boundaries of any type as
696. 00:53:25 Kids they can see mature beyond their years. They don't like being over dependent on others
697. 00:53:30 They can grow up isolated by their circumstances or families
698. 00:53:34 They feel emotions, but tend to let them go without fully processing them
699. 00:53:39 They can others can find fives eccentric or odd which they use as justification for self isolation
700. 00:53:46 They can collect a lot of knowledge, but may have trouble applying it and essentially that is
701. 00:53:53 The whole goal of the five is to get more information to get more knowledge believing that that is going to lead to more success
702. 00:54:01 So you can kind of see how like a lot of entrepreneurs probably fit into the the five category
703. 00:54:08 It's interesting because as I was reading through some of these there were some of my kids there
704. 00:54:12 I was like this is totally what they are some of them. I had a little bit more trouble figuring out
705. 00:54:17 When I read this to Toby, he's like, oh, yeah, that's me
706. 00:54:22 Yeah, so the the fives here's some of the false beliefs as he calls these that have been reading
707. 00:54:32 It's safer to observe than to participate
708. 00:54:35 If I open an up if I open up to relationships people demand more than I have or want to give if I'm spontaneous or
709. 00:54:43 Express my feelings in the moment others will disapprove and I'll feel embarrassed and out of control the more
710. 00:54:48 I know the safer I'll be so I guess that does kind of fit into the whole, you know
711. 00:54:52 Let me learn as much as I possibly can information is power concept so
712. 00:54:57 Data people probably fit this really well, right? Yeah, this is not me by the way
713. 00:55:06 spoiler alert
714. 00:55:08 Chapter 10 is the the sixes story
715. 00:55:11 The the six is the loyalist the passion for the six is fear the virtue is courage
716. 00:55:17 They have a deep desire to uphold fairness justice and traditional values. They're reliable dependable
717. 00:55:23 They uphold what is right and good
718. 00:55:26 They panic without safety growing up and they live in a constant state of anxiety
719. 00:55:31 These are the people who kind of always look for the worst case scenario
720. 00:55:34 They tend to be really loyal to who and what can
721. 00:55:38 Can offer them protection and security?
722. 00:55:42 They're quick to heed warnings from overly protective adults
723. 00:55:46 and he mentions that there are
724. 00:55:50 two kinds of
725. 00:55:53 Anxiety I think that's anxiety
726. 00:55:58 Or stress, but basically there's there's phobic and counter phobic and phobic is where you assume everything is dangerous and you avoid it
727. 00:56:04 Counter phobic is where you train to meet the challenges and overcome the worst case scenarios in your head
728. 00:56:10 And that that's obviously the one that you want to get to if you if you are six
729. 00:56:14 Yeah, the outline seems correct to me by the way chapter 10 is six
730. 00:56:20 I don't know what your mind-node file looks like
731. 00:56:24 Anyway, some of the the the false believes the faulty beliefs of a six
732. 00:56:29 I'll be safe if I prepare for the worst if I worry and plan enough everything will turn out, okay
733. 00:56:34 It's hard to not doubt or to trust people when so many of them have hidden agendas
734. 00:56:39 Can't trust myself to make good decisions. I'll always be filled with doubt and worry
735. 00:56:43 I won't be safe or certain unless I have something or someone outside myself to trust and be loyal to
736. 00:56:49 So again, this one's very external
737. 00:56:53 Reliant I would say and that they're dependent on
738. 00:56:56 Someone else or something else that they're remaining loyal to thus the loyalist title
739. 00:57:02 So yeah, that's that's kind of another external one
740. 00:57:06 Yeah, he also mentions that there are more sixes than any other anyagram type
741. 00:57:14 And there's a couple of these where he offers some practical advice
742. 00:57:20 We skipped over the one for the five which no what was it was
743. 00:57:23 Gotta find it now there was one where he specifically said that they should practice gratitude in
744. 00:57:29 The the six he mentions that you should limit the information that you consume on a daily basis and
745. 00:57:35 I think this is good advice whether you are
746. 00:57:39 Six or any other type, but it's kind of cool to see those things sprinkled in there as like practical things that you could do
747. 00:57:46 right now and as opposed to just a list of all of the
748. 00:57:51 Productivity advice and all the life hacks that whenever you read those things you're like, oh, I should create this habit
749. 00:57:57 And I should do this thing and I should do that. Yep
750. 00:57:59 This was a better approach
751. 00:58:02 I felt like it's like you know of all that stuff that you could do the one that's really gonna move the needle for you is is this one
752. 00:58:08 So I I like that
753. 00:58:10 Yeah, and one of those he calls out here for the sixes is that
754. 00:58:15 The way he puts it most sixes eventually recognize that they must develop wellness plans and coping strategies if they're ever going to enjoy their lives
755. 00:58:22 And I guess that's because that again the external dependency there
756. 00:58:26 So if you're going to be loyal to things like you have to have your own coping strategies in order to
757. 00:58:32 handle things when
758. 00:58:36 Someone else isn't quite as loyal as you are
759. 00:58:38 right, right
760. 00:58:41 All right, the next one is the seven
761. 00:58:46 and the seven is the
762. 00:58:48 enthusiast
763. 00:58:49 the passion for the seven is gluttony the virtue is sobriety and
764. 00:58:53 This one I jotted down a lot. I love some of these definitions. He's got here says sevens are caffeinated from birth
765. 00:59:01 Yes, everyone loves sevens because they bring joy to everything
766. 00:59:05 They prefer to suffer privately Lynette then let anyone see that they hurt
767. 00:59:10 They have selective memory and focus on the best they look to take care of themselves with new adventures and positive distractions
768. 00:59:16 They don't like being bored trapped or locked into a routine. They have an insatiable appetite and zest for life
769. 00:59:22 In adolescence they find themselves a center of attention. Others want to be with them
770. 00:59:26 They're spontaneous outrageous and innovative and finding ways to be the center of attention
771. 00:59:31 To the first to think that the action is elsewhere
772. 00:59:35 Their contagious energy cannot be suppressed
773. 00:59:39 Most people cannot keep up with a seven and aren't willing to try
774. 00:59:44 They need options and possibilities. They get frustrated just hanging out and doing nothing and
775. 00:59:50 When I read this description I
776. 00:59:54 Showed it to my wife and she's like, oh, that's Malachi
777. 00:59:58 And it was interesting because there is some tension
778. 01:00:06 Between my wife and Malachi specifically because we call him million mile an hour Malachi
779. 01:00:11 He's just he's up at seven every single day
780. 01:00:15 Because that's the time we have said is like you you can't get up before this
781. 01:00:20 Right, but every day on the dot he comes out of the room at seven because he doesn't want to waste a minute
782. 01:00:28 living life just yes and
783. 01:00:32 It can get exhausting for my wife to keep up with him and it comes across sometimes
784. 01:00:37 He's like he's he's always looking ahead to the next thing and it comes across as like he's not listening or paying attention
785. 01:00:43 He's not but it's not because he's a bad kid or he's an act of rebellion. He's just
786. 01:00:49 Constantly looking for the next new thing
787. 01:00:52 Yeah, and because he his mind moves so fast
788. 01:00:57 It's it can be frustrating. He's like well. I just told you you need to do this first
789. 01:01:01 Yes, but I was focused on this other thing. So I have no idea what you said. Yeah, exactly
790. 01:01:07 Alright some of these mistaken beliefs of a seven I
791. 01:01:12 Can't endure feeling bored trapped locked into a routine or FOMO if you're missing out
792. 01:01:17 I must have multiple escape options. I can't depend on anyone for anything especially for supporting me when I'm in pain
793. 01:01:24 Charm is the best first line of defense. No one can be trusted to satisfy me. I'm on my own
794. 01:01:29 What I really want can't be found in the present moment or inside myself. It's always outside in the future. So
795. 01:01:35 very
796. 01:01:38 Fast-moving I would say as you're calling out. Yep
797. 01:01:42 All right, the last chapter is
798. 01:01:46 chapter 12
799. 01:01:48 the larger story and
800. 01:01:52 This is just a couple of like closing thoughts here
801. 01:01:56 He mentions and this is actually where the religious part comes out. So skip this chapter if you're not that's off-putting to you
802. 01:02:04 Because he's really just reiterating again that we are all broken in some way
803. 01:02:09 Nobody's perfect and he says that when we let God put us back together
804. 01:02:14 The result is something that is better than new and uses the story of that Japanese pottery that is broken and then like remade
805. 01:02:20 and you can see all the cracks and
806. 01:02:22 Most of the time you would think like well if something is cracked then it's worthless or it's devalued
807. 01:02:29 And he said that no this specific type of Japanese pottery the fact that you can see all the cracks and they've been meticulous
808. 01:02:37 And putting it back together. That's actually the thing that makes it valuable
809. 01:02:40 And I feel like that's a pretty cool way to wrap this all up
810. 01:02:45 It's like you're not gonna be perfect. We've all got these cracks
811. 01:02:49 So just own them do the best that you can and you'll come out better on the other side
812. 01:02:54 Yeah, I like you're saying like this is where the spiritual religious side
813. 01:03:00 comes out. I don't feel like this is
814. 01:03:03 Like from a Christian stance and from a biblical stance. I feel like it's fairly well done
815. 01:03:10 I don't feel like there's anything I would argue with him on theologically here
816. 01:03:15 That's not the point of this podcast at all, but the
817. 01:03:18 The thing that is interesting to me is that he went so deep in it and it was so
818. 01:03:23 Point blank like here's here's how this your story like the number you're that you are your story
819. 01:03:30 This is how it fits into the bigger
820. 01:03:32 story of God and
821. 01:03:34 That's not a place I expected him to go at all and yet here we are and I'm not
822. 01:03:40 Arguing with that at all. It was kind of refreshing to me because we don't normally see that in a book
823. 01:03:46 I appreciate that in the in this one, but again
824. 01:03:49 Most people I don't know where you would sit so not I don't think I knew that the Enneagram had kind of a spiritual Christian
825. 01:03:57 undertone to it. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you said earlier, but
826. 01:04:02 If that's true then this totally makes sense. I just haven't put all those pieces together yet
827. 01:04:09 I don't think it's that explicit in the nature of the Enneagram itself, but I think
828. 01:04:16 Episcopal priest so
829. 01:04:19 Yeah
830. 01:04:21 Overlap of all the different things kind of like my approach to faith-based productivity
831. 01:04:25 No, it's it's who I am and so it's going to color my perspective
832. 01:04:28 The stuff in that that realm that's my interpretation of this last chapter
833. 01:04:33 But I could be wrong. I mean I really don't know enough about
834. 01:04:38 The Enneagram itself the RHE Ti that we mentioned that we both took and we'll get into our results here in a second
835. 01:04:45 This is something that is put together by the Enneagram Institute and reading through this like I've got a PDF
836. 01:04:52 Which is 18 pages long explaining my results. I don't see anything
837. 01:04:57 religious in in here
838. 01:05:00 you know, so I
839. 01:05:02 think that's just
840. 01:05:04 Dearest friends coming. Yeah, his lens on how he how he
841. 01:05:08 applies this stuff, which I agree like I
842. 01:05:12 Think that's kind of cool, but other people take it or leave it
843. 01:05:16 I wouldn't put I wouldn't disregard the rest of this book just because of that last chapter if that is off-putting to you
844. 01:05:23 I think there's some some good stuff here like I said
845. 01:05:26 I picked this book not knowing that he wasn't a Episcopal priest just because it seemed like
846. 01:05:32 Enneagram resource that a lot of people were talking about and I wanted to understand more about the Enneagram itself
847. 01:05:38 So yeah, it makes sense, but yeah interesting way to interesting way to end it
848. 01:05:42 Should we talk about our results now?
849. 01:05:45 Sure, this will be fun
850. 01:05:47 All right, why don't you go first since I've been kicking off most of these sections today, okay?
851. 01:05:53 I can do that so I
852. 01:05:56 Need to preface this with and I'll give my numbers here because you'll this will help help you understand why I'm still kind of like
853. 01:06:05 Not a hundred percent certain what I would call myself right now. It's between two so
854. 01:06:10 per the test
855. 01:06:12 the top three I had as a seven a four and a nine and
856. 01:06:17 The names for those the seven is the enthusiast Malachi when we were just talking about
857. 01:06:23 The four would be the individualist according to the ready or the romantic according to Ian Morgan
858. 01:06:28 Crohn and then the nine is the
859. 01:06:30 Peacemaker the numbers on these this is why I get a little bit off the the seven is a 23
860. 01:06:37 That's what I that was my score for the seven was a 23 the four was a 21 and the nine was a 21
861. 01:06:43 Hmm. Okay, so they're all
862. 01:06:45 right there and
863. 01:06:48 part of my
864. 01:06:51 eh on that is that as I was going through these we had like two phrases and you had to pick between the two right and
865. 01:06:57 I don't know if it's just the way my brain works or what it was
866. 01:07:01 But there were a lot of those where you'd have to pick like I have this tendency between these three things and the second option
867. 01:07:09 Would have another three things but it's like well
868. 01:07:11 I'm kind of two of each of those and I like it's a toss-up one way or the other and I had probably 10 or 15 of those
869. 01:07:19 Questions that I felt like it was a toss-up
870. 01:07:21 And I get why you know they force you to pick one of the other they don't give you both
871. 01:07:25 I don't want them to give me a both on that because I understand that that can screw up the test
872. 01:07:29 but I'm also aware that because of that I
873. 01:07:32 Can't be too specific on those exact numbers. So that said
874. 01:07:37 according to this test I would be a seven and
875. 01:07:40 As I read through the seven like the fast-pacedness the hold on a hold on a second because I'm
876. 01:07:48 On the top of the first page
877. 01:07:50 I'm you probably says the same thing says your highest score your second highest score
878. 01:07:54 And I actually got a tie between my two second highest scores as well
879. 01:07:58 And then it says your primary any grand personality type is most likely the highest of these scores and almost certainly among the highest two or three
880. 01:08:04 So my question to you would be
881. 01:08:07 Going through and reading these descriptions
882. 01:08:09 Which one do you kind of gravitate towards which one resonates with you?
883. 01:08:14 And that's that's kind of where I'm getting because I know that with like the seven that they're putting at the top of that list like yes
884. 01:08:20 there's a
885. 01:08:21 large amount of that that I would
886. 01:08:23 resonate with but I feel like the second one here with the fours is
887. 01:08:27 Probably there. This is where I want to know about like this wings thing because I know that that can like
888. 01:08:34 There's this but then you could also be like one off on the side and then that tends to look like a seven
889. 01:08:41 Like I'm aware of that out there as well. So I'm not sure what that I don't know that side very well
890. 01:08:47 that said between the seven four and nine I
891. 01:08:50 Think I would put it somewhere in that four range. I'm fairly confident on that
892. 01:08:56 But I haven't had a chance to work through this in detail with my wife quite yet
893. 01:09:00 And I feel like whenever she looks through these she's like yep that one. She's probably gonna point it out right away
894. 01:09:07 So that's that's my assumption. So right now. I'm leaning towards this is like I'm a four is what I would say
895. 01:09:14 So anyway, there's that if I had to pick one for you
896. 01:09:18 I would have picked a four because some of these things I jotted down totally applied yeah like sure do the creative things that
897. 01:09:25 Feed your soul. I've known you long enough and seen you do enough creative projects that like when something you don't like doing it anymore
898. 01:09:33 You just stop doing it
899. 01:09:35 Absolutely to the next one. Yeah, it's a hundred percent what I do which is
900. 01:09:40 Honestly that particular character trait is one that has me like locking in on the four more than anything else like I get the whole high speed
901. 01:09:47 thing of a seven, but
902. 01:09:49 like I think that's I
903. 01:09:51 Think the seven like we were talking about the high speed piece
904. 01:09:55 That's probably the ADHD that that comes out in that so it's not necessarily a typical
905. 01:10:04 View that's where I think like the four probably is what it is
906. 01:10:08 But because of the flavor of the ADHD it has like that tendency to morph into a seven
907. 01:10:15 Sometimes but not always so I could definitely see how that plays out. So it's good to know you think I'm a four awesome. Thanks, Mike
908. 01:10:23 I also think that
909. 01:10:25 Going back to that description, you know do the creative things that feed your soul and the emphasis on the creating and
910. 01:10:33 Again, this is like how I got connected with you has always been your creative projects
911. 01:10:37 But I think that need to create for a four
912. 01:10:42 maybe appears
913. 01:10:44 Like a seven as well because people are like oh he's constantly doing things
914. 01:10:49 But really it's just you constantly expressing things that you have to because that's how you find meaning in the the day to day
915. 01:10:57 It's I have to make things. It's true because I know that
916. 01:11:01 Like okay, so look at look at a lot of things I tend to do so I tend to write a lot of code and I make things for myself
917. 01:11:06 Right, but when I go home
918. 01:11:09 It's very common for me to spend time like building random things. I gotta make stuff with my hands as well
919. 01:11:16 So I'm regularly trying to dream up how to make things like and it's silly stuff
920. 01:11:21 Like how do I get the door to the chicken run to open without me?
921. 01:11:24 Have to crawl underneath
922. 01:11:25 Inside the run to get to it like can I get some sort of rope mechanism over here to do this for me?
923. 01:11:30 And how do I get it to hold down so that critters don't get in all these things like that?
924. 01:11:34 That's like right up my alley. I'll do that all day long
925. 01:11:37 So that that's where I think like the four piece can
926. 01:11:40 Come out, but again like you're saying like it
927. 01:11:43 In certain instances that can make it look like other
928. 01:11:47 Stories which is probably true for all of them
929. 01:11:52 That that was the part that I learned just in reading these test results like okay
930. 01:11:58 They've got me at a seven at the top. It's possible. I'm tied with a nine off the four
931. 01:12:03 But at the same time like I feel like everybody's probably going to have something like that whenever you take these tests
932. 01:12:10 Yeah, there's there's always gonna be one or two others like oh, yeah
933. 01:12:13 I do like half of those things but it's because the one that you're on
934. 01:12:17 Like in my case the four like it can look like one of the other ones
935. 01:12:21 So you have to keep in mind like your internal feelings on that like what is your motivator for it?
936. 01:12:27 Not necessarily the actions that come out of it if that makes sense what I'm saying. Mm-hmm. It does
937. 01:12:32 So you go for now we're gonna say Joseph or I
938. 01:12:36 Don't know what to do with that right now, but there we go
939. 01:12:40 All right, do you want to try to guess what what I am
940. 01:12:47 Off the top of my head I was going to guess a three three interesting
941. 01:12:54 okay
942. 01:12:56 Not a three that is on my results number four on the list, okay?
943. 01:13:03 So I guess technically there's a possibility that I would be a three
944. 01:13:07 Not likely though. Yeah, so my second and third one that I tied second highest score was a tie between type six and type eight
945. 01:13:15 So the loyalist and the challenger and I can definitely see
946. 01:13:19 flavors of those in
947. 01:13:22 my experiences
948. 01:13:24 But the highest score and this is definitely the one that resonates with me. Okay is the one
949. 01:13:31 Okay, I am a reformer
950. 01:13:34 And there's one thing specifically here
951. 01:13:40 It says one of the lifetime tasks of the ones is to learn to occasionally ignore duty celebrate and enjoy life I
952. 01:13:45 Put like a hand-raising emoji because that is me
953. 01:13:50 yeah, I
954. 01:13:52 Feel like the there's one of these which is the loyalist right but this is how the the loyalist
955. 01:13:59 Is expressed for me is like well
956. 01:14:02 I said I was going to do this and so I'm going to do it even if it destroys me and
957. 01:14:07 Over the years I've had to learn to say you know what? It's okay if the thing doesn't get done
958. 01:14:13 Yeah, but I would
959. 01:14:16 You know stay up all night to get the thing done if I said said to somebody that I was going to do it
960. 01:14:21 and typically it was with other people you know making a
961. 01:14:24 A commitment to somebody else the commitments to myself or as big a deal
962. 01:14:30 but the other thing that really
963. 01:14:32 Illuminate was illuminating to me
964. 01:14:35 Was the need to make rest a priority?
965. 01:14:37 to schedule vacation days off and downtime to recharge that
966. 01:14:42 It's not exactly a vacation and it's a very different type of energy in some ways it is a
967. 01:14:51 Form of rest, but not really I do feel like this is the whole idea behind the personal retreat stuff though
968. 01:14:57 it's not that I can disconnect from it and
969. 01:15:00 Not do anything and fill my tank, but it's just getting away from the day-to-day and
970. 01:15:08 thinking about things and that clarity is the I don't know maybe it's artificial rest right but it's
971. 01:15:15 physically taking a break and
972. 01:15:18 mentally
973. 01:15:20 understanding what is the most important thing and the most important thing is obviously the
974. 01:15:26 The mission or the purpose that the one is going to achieve is going to attach to like I'm gonna make the world a better place
975. 01:15:32 impact as many people as I can
976. 01:15:34 That's totally me
977. 01:15:37 out of
978. 01:15:39 out of curiosity how close were the other two the six and the eight
979. 01:15:43 They were pretty close not even close so the score for type one was a 26 and then 22 was the
980. 01:15:50 The tie okay. Yeah, cuz I think you know the eight is probably one. I was
981. 01:15:55 Like that would have been my second guess
982. 01:15:57 Cuz I know your your stances with conflict and stuff my wife is an eight
983. 01:16:01 So we've we've figured a lot of that out, but that's that's probably where I would have put you as
984. 01:16:09 Like my second guess, but yeah, I think I could see the one I definitely could like the improver slash reformer
985. 01:16:17 Like I could see that pretty easy. It seems like you know whenever you get a mission in mind like
986. 01:16:22 Nothing else matters until that's done if it's ever done like that's that's where you tend to go and like nothing's gonna stop you from
987. 01:16:29 Achieving that so I can see that one pretty easy
988. 01:16:32 Which is maybe this is why you and I get a well get along so well
989. 01:16:35 You're on a mission and I can dream of ways to get there
990. 01:16:38 probably
991. 01:16:41 So when did you take the assessment did you take it before you read the book or after?
992. 01:16:46 Before okay, I thought you said you took it before I
993. 01:16:49 Intentionally took it after because I wanted to read through all of these and see which ones resonated with me and
994. 01:16:56 I saw like different things in the one, but that's not what I would have picked
995. 01:17:01 For me prior to taking the assessment. I
996. 01:17:04 Like you I probably would have seen like the the eight or the the six
997. 01:17:08 It's interesting because even like the peacemaker. I recognize that there were
998. 01:17:12 the nine like that that's
999. 01:17:15 There were things in there that resonated like I remembered specific things from my my childhood where I ended up
1000. 01:17:21 Playing the peacemaker role quite a bit, but I think that's partly because
1001. 01:17:25 family dynamics and my dad was probably an eight or a three yeah
1002. 01:17:31 But so like when I got done reading the book
1003. 01:17:35 I'm like I have no idea what I am I can identify with pretty much all of these even though type nine the peacemaker that the score
1004. 01:17:41 I got for that was a six like that's the last one on the list. Yeah
1005. 01:17:44 Yeah, so I tried to guess you know what I thought I was gonna be and then I took the assessment
1006. 01:17:49 And then I looked at the results assessment. I'm like huh not what I expected but totally agree with that
1007. 01:17:55 Yeah, yeah, no
1008. 01:17:57 I took it before because I know that I have this tendency of if I know what some of the results can be I
1009. 01:18:03 can sometimes
1010. 01:18:06 accidentally color the
1011. 01:18:08 Results by the way that I answer questions, so I didn't want that
1012. 01:18:11 I wanted it to be as true as I could so if I take this beforehand and I don't know what's coming I'll be more prone to
1013. 01:18:17 Having more accurate results, so I think that worked out. Well, it's interesting you point out like the one that's at the bottom
1014. 01:18:24 An eight is at the very bottom with me, but I'm tied at the bottom for a one
1015. 01:18:28 So one and eight are tied at the bottom, so there you go
1016. 01:18:31 We're like on opposite ends of this spectrum here
1017. 01:18:36 interesting
1018. 01:18:38 All right should we talk about action items?
1019. 01:18:41 Sure, what you got I?
1020. 01:18:43 Have two action items and one of them I did already that was to listen to typology
1021. 01:18:50 The other one was to check out an app called daily oh
1022. 01:18:56 I forget which type that was associated with it wasn't one of my major ones
1023. 01:19:03 But that sounded like an interesting application
1024. 01:19:08 so I'm gonna
1025. 01:19:10 Take a look at that. I'm not making any promises about using it every day or anything like that, but I I think it is
1026. 01:19:18 like a
1027. 01:19:20 mood logging sort of a thing
1028. 01:19:22 Which I've sort of been on the lookout for something like that for a while
1029. 01:19:28 I've used mood notes in the past and it's really cool, but I kind of don't think it's being actively developed anymore
1030. 01:19:37 So I want to find something that is gonna be around for a while
1031. 01:19:41 I
1032. 01:19:43 Don't want to add something like that to
1033. 01:19:45 Obsidian it feels like a bridge too far to get that data in there as part of the the daily note
1034. 01:19:52 But if I have something on my my phone because I do things on my phone that are part of my habits and routines like practicing Spanish every day
1035. 01:20:01 so
1036. 01:20:02 This could be something that I would stack on top of that habit
1037. 01:20:06 potentially
1038. 01:20:08 So those are my two which ones
1039. 01:20:10 Do you have or do you have any action items? I guess yeah, I have I have a couple
1040. 01:20:15 One of which is also listen to typology
1041. 01:20:19 I don't know how far it's gonna go, but I'm put when I get there
1042. 01:20:21 I'm gonna pick the latest one listen to that and see if it's something I want to hold on to
1043. 01:20:24 Just because I think it's mentioned in almost every single chapter
1044. 01:20:28 I know you had said you weren't sure how often you talked about it. It was a lot
1045. 01:20:31 I think like that was just my per perspective
1046. 01:20:34 So that's one. I want at least attempt an episode of that. We'll see how it goes
1047. 01:20:37 the other one is and
1048. 01:20:40 This is me
1049. 01:20:42 Before and I'd written this down beforehand, but I was kind of assuming I was gonna land on a four talking through it with you
1050. 01:20:47 I'm kind of more into that
1051. 01:20:49 but I had written down to
1052. 01:20:52 Focus more on my creativity and I'm not real sure what that means right now
1053. 01:20:58 I'm hoping that this next week of me being gone out on a lake and
1054. 01:21:03 Having a chance to just take a break, which I don't do well
1055. 01:21:06 I'm hoping that can kind of help me crystallize that a little bit, but I'm trying to figure out how
1056. 01:21:13 Making things is something I can make more regular. I know that I do some stuff online
1057. 01:21:18 But and I do a lot of things with my hands, but I I've not
1058. 01:21:23 I've not really given myself permission to make that a focal point partly because it feels like it's a splurge
1059. 01:21:29 Like it feels like I'm indulging in something that I shouldn't be
1060. 01:21:32 But that's okay. I just need to learn that that's okay
1061. 01:21:36 But again, I'm not real sure what that's gonna look like so I'm trying to basically nail down
1062. 01:21:41 How do I allow myself to be creative?
1063. 01:21:43 more often and and make that a regular thing that I can
1064. 01:21:48 Kick out so again
1065. 01:21:50 I'm not real sure what that looks like quite yet, but it's something I need to explore explicitly
1066. 01:21:54 So is that that's what I got those two
1067. 01:21:57 All right, so then style and rating
1068. 01:22:02 My book I will go first
1069. 01:22:04 I really like the style of this book
1070. 01:22:09 It's very different and in a lot of ways. It's not at all what I expected
1071. 01:22:16 But that is largely based on what the Enneagram
1072. 01:22:22 actually is I feel
1073. 01:22:25 because I
1074. 01:22:27 Kind of thought it was a standard assessment and it was gonna give you
1075. 01:22:31 This is the results and this is what you are
1076. 01:22:35 I'm kind of glad that it didn't
1077. 01:22:37 I'm kind of glad that the approach is basically well
1078. 01:22:40 You're probably one of these but attached to the story that resonates with you the most
1079. 01:22:45 So that's that's cool
1080. 01:22:48 Ian is a great storyteller
1081. 01:22:50 I really like the whole framing of this book around the stories and the broken stories and not trying to hide the imperfections
1082. 01:22:58 I feel
1083. 01:22:59 That is something that came up on a lot of the different types is
1084. 01:23:03 the tendency to try to do that in different ways and I totally agree with them that that's unhealthy and the first step is
1085. 01:23:12 Just owning that stuff and working through it not being afraid to tackle the the hard questions
1086. 01:23:20 He's got some great stories. I think he's got a great writing style
1087. 01:23:26 It's borderline humorous. I would say
1088. 01:23:29 It's fair. I feel like he's not trying to be funny
1089. 01:23:35 So it doesn't come across as like awkward or dry just certain things, you know one line here and there
1090. 01:23:41 It's kind of Donald Miller ask but not to that level
1091. 01:23:47 So
1092. 01:23:51 I'm having trouble picking a number for this though. I think I'm gonna go 4.0 just because
1093. 01:23:55 I'm not sure I
1094. 01:23:58 Wouldn't I would guess that there are
1095. 01:24:01 Probably better resources for the Enneagram out there though. I
1096. 01:24:06 Like the stories that he uses
1097. 01:24:10 But I also feel like the way the chapters are framed if you were just looking for like more information on the types themselves
1098. 01:24:21 The format is maybe not the best way to do that
1099. 01:24:25 and maybe that's the
1100. 01:24:27 Elements of the five, you know showing up there, but like just give me the list right
1101. 01:24:32 He had one list at the beginning of the different types and then the passion and the virtue
1102. 01:24:37 But I feel like the whole idea behind the Enneagram is is right for that kind of thing
1103. 01:24:43 Like give me a summary table at the end of each one of these
1104. 01:24:48 Chapters not saying you needed to do that, but there's an opportunity to take that approach and you know
1105. 01:24:54 Maybe that would have been better. I don't know
1106. 01:24:56 But overall, I'm really glad that I I read it really glad that I took the assessment
1107. 01:25:01 Still kind of bummed that I didn't get a code to take his by reading his book
1108. 01:25:06 But whatever I'll get over that
1109. 01:25:09 It is kind of weird like there is no official
1110. 01:25:13 Enneagram assessment so when you go search for one
1111. 01:25:16 You'll get like a whole bunch of different
1112. 01:25:19 Results and it's kind of confusing like which one you should start with
1113. 01:25:24 So we'll be links to the RH ETI that you and I both took in the show notes for this as well as the the
1114. 01:25:32 Any app which is the the only decent iOS one that I I saw but
1115. 01:25:37 Yeah 4.0. I would recommend it
1116. 01:25:40 but I
1117. 01:25:43 Think there's a possibility that maybe if someone were to say what is the absolute best any gram resource out there
1118. 01:25:49 This maybe isn't it?
1119. 01:25:51 Yeah, I know that his writing style is very interesting in that I love that he would tell a story
1120. 01:25:57 I love that he had kind of a framework that he worked through for each type with the SOAR
1121. 01:26:02 SOAR and I think that that's
1122. 01:26:05 Probably the best way to come at this like you got to have some systematic way of coming through these
1123. 01:26:13 It absolutely drove me nuts that it wasn't in line with chapter numbers and in order
1124. 01:26:18 Completely irrational I get it but it drove me absolutely bonkers
1125. 01:26:24 Like I would look at the like I kept getting like the numbers screwed up in
1126. 01:26:27 My mind because I got them screwed up on the episode
1127. 01:26:32 Yes, like we would get to the forest story, but it's chapter 8
1128. 01:26:35 So then like I translated it to it was the 8 that I was reading about but he kept saying 4 and it's like why are you talking about 4
1129. 01:26:41 Ron 8 no, that's chapter 8 like it just completely messed with me
1130. 01:26:45 Way more than it probably should have I just I couldn't like the number thing was it driving me nuts?
1131. 01:26:51 And I couldn't let that one go so I have to say that that's a ding on it
1132. 01:26:55 I don't know how you do it though like it like you're trying to get chapter 1 through
1133. 01:27:01 9 to make those line up, but I get that he was trying to do the triad thing maybe that was unnecessary
1134. 01:27:07 Probably unnecessary because he never talked about the triads in depth so that you could understand those because there's too much involved
1135. 01:27:13 He didn't talk about the wings thing that I know
1136. 01:27:16 exists there's also like the
1137. 01:27:19 There's like a circle if you the test that you and I took the ready test
1138. 01:27:23 There's a circle with a triangle so you've got like the seven leans towards a one or a three for your strength or
1139. 01:27:30 Weakness or whatever I forget what they call it
1140. 01:27:32 But there's there's those types of things going on those aren't even mentioned that I could find
1141. 01:27:36 In this book so there's a lot more to the anyagram than what's in this book that that much
1142. 01:27:43 I know and I don't know what those really are
1143. 01:27:46 And I don't know if he should have brought those up, but all of that combined just made it kind of
1144. 01:27:54 Difficult for me to say that like this is your go-to resource for the anyagram
1145. 01:27:58 But I think you're you're in agreement with me on that is that this is probably not the go-to place to learn all the ins and outs of the
1146. 01:28:05 Anyagram, I don't know what that place is if somebody's listening to this and you know the answer to that
1147. 01:28:09 Please point me to it point us to it
1148. 01:28:12 So we'd love to know that but I know that this is probably not it that said just from a style and and
1149. 01:28:17 authors perspective
1150. 01:28:21 For what he's doing. I think he did a good job. I just don't think that this is your go-to
1151. 01:28:26 That's all I'm saying so that all said
1152. 01:28:29 There's a lot of great stuff here
1153. 01:28:33 picking a number for it. I think you're absolutely correct. It's difficult to do that because of
1154. 01:28:37 So much that's going on here, but that said I think I'll join you at the 4.0
1155. 01:28:43 It just seems like that's the right spot to be it doesn't seem like it's so bad and used to be a 3 something
1156. 01:28:49 But yeah, I think a 4.0 is a is a good place for it to be so I'll join you there
1157. 01:28:55 Cool on the the topic of the
1158. 01:28:59 Additional resources for the Enneagram by the way, he did come out with
1159. 01:29:03 very recently the story of you workbook, which I have
1160. 01:29:08 but it's like a hundred pages and these are not
1161. 01:29:12 simple fill in the blank style answers, so I haven't had time to go through that yet
1162. 01:29:19 I feel like this is going to be a
1163. 01:29:21 significant effort in order to complete this but it's quite possible that that would explain the the wings and
1164. 01:29:28 Try your ads and all that kind of stuff. So that makes sense. Give them the benefit of the doubt there
1165. 01:29:34 All right
1166. 01:29:36 Let's put the story of you on the shelf
1167. 01:29:38 What's next Joe? I?
1168. 01:29:41 want to read mind map mastery by Tony Buzan because Mike does is mind node files and I've been
1169. 01:29:48 Listening to ADHD nerds by Jesse Anderson a lot lately and it's come the concept of mind mapping has come up a couple times
1170. 01:29:57 there and
1171. 01:29:59 It seems like something that would be helpful to me and I feel like I want read a book about it
1172. 01:30:04 So I'm gonna drag everybody along for the ride and I figured Mike's a good resource to have along for that ride since he's been doing it for
1173. 01:30:11 4000 years
1174. 01:30:13 So mind map mastery by Tony Buzan. That's what we're going through next. All right and following that
1175. 01:30:19 What are you what are we doing?
1176. 01:30:22 Following that we are going to read I didn't do the thing today by Madeline door ah
1177. 01:30:28 Have you seen something I do a lot
1178. 01:30:31 It's a book about overcoming productivity guilt
1179. 01:30:37 which I feel is a
1180. 01:30:40 trending topic at the moment the whole idea of like the toxic productivity and
1181. 01:30:46 Yeah, it looks very interesting
1182. 01:30:51 The I saw it come across as like an Amazon recommendation or something and typically like I just move on past those
1183. 01:30:58 but that one caught my eye
1184. 01:31:00 Clicked on it and read the description and I'm like oh that looks interesting completely forgot about it
1185. 01:31:05 And then somebody that I respect brought it up the other day and I was like oh, yeah, I got to read that book
1186. 01:31:12 Nice
1187. 01:31:15 Nice
1188. 01:31:16 You got any gap books?
1189. 01:31:18 I'm I'm not quite done with it, but I'm still in the middle of digital settle castan
1190. 01:31:22 costan castan costan. I don't know how you say it
1191. 01:31:26 I've had I've heard it both ways anyway. I'm still kind of in the middle of that
1192. 01:31:30 So I'm planning to finish that up
1193. 01:31:32 While I'm out this week and then dive into the mind map piece. So that's kind of where I'm at with books right now
1194. 01:31:38 you
1195. 01:31:41 Cool
1196. 01:31:42 I do have a gap book that I haven't made a whole lot of progress on and I'm gonna
1197. 01:31:47 Actually pause until I get through my map mastery
1198. 01:31:50 But that is the earned life by Marshall Goldsmith
1199. 01:31:54 Marshall Goldsmith. I heard a podcast episode that he was on
1200. 01:31:58 might have been Shane Parrish
1201. 01:32:02 Did you know that Shane Parrish has a podcast?
1202. 01:32:07 No, I feel like I should have the guy behind the great mental models books
1203. 01:32:13 It might be a Farnham Street podcast, but the episode I heard had Shane on the audio quality was garbage
1204. 01:32:19 But Marshall Goldsmith sounds like a cool guy. Yeah. Yeah
1205. 01:32:25 Interesting. No, I didn't know there was a podcast by Shane
1206. 01:32:28 I'll see if I can find that podcast episode that I found and put a link in the
1207. 01:32:34 The show notes if I can dig it up
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