224: The Confident Mind by Dr. Nate Zinsser

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1. 00:00:00 Hey, Mike. Welcome back. How has your couple weeks been?
2. 00:00:05 It's been a busy couple of weeks, but it's been good.
3. 00:00:08 We got through the practical peak cam hybrid cohort launch, did the live event.
4. 00:00:13 My wife went to Hawaii for I think it was nine days total.
5. 00:00:19 And we survived. So I am finally caught up and now leave for a
6. 00:00:25 conference next week as we record this.
7. 00:00:28 So I'm looking forward to that one, the crafting commerce.
8. 00:00:31 This is the first year that it actually sold out, which is pretty awesome.
9. 00:00:35 And it's next year, get your ticket early. It's in Boise, right?
10. 00:00:39 This is one of the, it's in Boise. Yeah. And this is, who puts this one on?
11. 00:00:42 I forget. This is the kit, formerly convert kit. Okay.
12. 00:00:48 Yeah. I'm, I'm going to come to this with you one year.
13. 00:00:50 I just wasn't able to this year. We have, that's fair.
14. 00:00:54 We have floor projects going on as soon as the dumpsters come again.
15. 00:00:58 We're going to rip up the floors and redo the floors.
16. 00:01:01 So that's a, that's a fun task of the summer.
17. 00:01:04 Floys are important. They are, they are important.
18. 00:01:08 I just got done telling Mike about can you hearing?
19. 00:01:10 So if you want to hear about can you hearing in Utah, become a member
20. 00:01:15 and get the pro show because it was a, it was a pretty fun conversation about it.
21. 00:01:19 But that's what I've been doing the last, well, last week I went there and did that.
22. 00:01:24 Otherwise it's just been enjoying the summer.
23. 00:01:27 I mean, you know this, but my, my schedule dramatically changes over the summer.
24. 00:01:31 So I've been enjoying the summer and trying to get, trying to get projects done
25. 00:01:35 and planning new projects. So that's what, so what, what year are the, the students
26. 00:01:40 that you teach? They're college, right?
27. 00:01:42 So everything from first year to seniors, to graduating seniors.
28. 00:01:47 And I teach pretty much all over the spectrum.
29. 00:01:50 I teach less in the sophomore year, so the second year for those of you who aren't
30. 00:01:55 familiar with the US higher education system.
31. 00:01:58 But I teach first years every year, I teach seniors every year.
32. 00:02:02 And then it just depends on kind of the class schedule and how we balance things,
33. 00:02:08 whether it's junior seniors, junior sophomore year, how much I teach in the, in those two.
34. 00:02:12 Okay. So I have a, I have a question for you.
35. 00:02:15 My oldest is going into his senior year.
36. 00:02:17 So he knows quite a few people who are seniors in high school, is senior in high school.
37. 00:02:22 Yes. Okay.
38. 00:02:23 Yes. And so they're, they're graduating and they're having their graduation
39. 00:02:26 parties and I get that he would want to go to those parties, but it is ridiculous.
40. 00:02:34 The number of invitations we have gotten to graduation parties.
41. 00:02:39 It's almost like it, it rivals the number of Christmas cards, I feel.
42. 00:02:46 And I, every, every single one I get, I resent a little bit more.
43. 00:02:50 So I'm kind of wondering like, how do you decide which ones to go to?
44. 00:02:55 Which ones you're just going to skip?
45. 00:02:57 See, I don't have to worry about that because graduation parties are much more
46. 00:03:00 common in high school.
47. 00:03:01 They're not, they're not coming in college.
48. 00:03:03 We actually do mandatory events at the end of the year for the graduating seniors.
49. 00:03:08 So we have, I think I'll back a laureate, which is like a, a celebration for just
50. 00:03:13 those who graduate from science and engineering, the school science and engineering.
51. 00:03:17 Then we'll have graduation on top of that.
52. 00:03:19 So I'll see the students again at graduation.
53. 00:03:21 Um, and then I usually, um, it will take them out to breakfast or lunch or dinner
54. 00:03:27 or something like we'll go out to it for some meal, or if the students are, um, more
55. 00:03:31 interested, like we'll go to like top golf or, you know, we'll go somewhere and
56. 00:03:34 just have like a fun, like little social thing.
57. 00:03:37 Um, and checking those three boxes, like they're usually, they're usually done.
58. 00:03:41 And they also see me a lot because we're a smaller school.
59. 00:03:44 So they're kind of like not super, you know, like they don't really need to see me
60. 00:03:48 anymore.
61. 00:03:49 They're, they're pretty good.
62. 00:03:50 What I will tell you though, to answer a different, slightly different question is
63. 00:03:54 I would probably say no to 95% of those things.
64. 00:04:02 Just because if you start saying yes to them, then you got to say yes to all of them.
65. 00:04:06 And next thing you know, like every other weekend or every weekend you're at somebody's
66. 00:04:10 thing and that just gets, uh, every weekend you're at multiple things.
67. 00:04:16 Yeah, right.
68. 00:04:16 Like in, in, I mean, even, even to the point of like, um, sometimes students
69. 00:04:20 won't invite me to weddings and stuff.
70. 00:04:22 And I'll think really, really hard about whether I go to those, not because I
71. 00:04:26 don't appreciate the student and I don't appreciate the invite.
72. 00:04:28 It's more a matter of, um, I mean, like, are you doing it out of courtesy?
73. 00:04:33 Or are you doing it because you really, really want me there?
74. 00:04:35 You know, it's like you got your family there.
75. 00:04:36 You got friends there.
76. 00:04:38 I understand like I appreciate you with the invite, but you know, a lot
77. 00:04:41 of times I don't, I don't worry about that too much.
78. 00:04:43 Okay.
79. 00:04:45 Yeah.
80. 00:04:46 So if you're going to say no, I'm in your, I'm on your side, right?
81. 00:04:49 Like I lean no and then we'll make the random exception of yes, but usually
82. 00:04:54 there's a really strong reason about why I made the random exception of yes, um, uh, to that.
83. 00:05:00 And the other, the other thing that's weird to Mike is like, and this is different
84. 00:05:02 for you, no matter how many times I see students outside of the academic setting,
85. 00:05:08 they, it's, it's weird.
86. 00:05:10 They think it's weird.
87. 00:05:12 Like they're like, oh, you're like a normal human being.
88. 00:05:14 And I'm like, yes, I do all the things that normal human beings do.
89. 00:05:18 I try to tell you this all the time.
90. 00:05:20 And you go out, don't understand that I just do normal things that human beings do.
91. 00:05:24 And oh, by the way, I teach your classes, like I prep your classes and I teach your
92. 00:05:26 classes and, you know, kind of thing.
93. 00:05:28 So, but it's still, it's always kind of weird.
94. 00:05:30 It's always slightly awkward.
95. 00:05:32 Sure.
96. 00:05:33 So you got a, you got it out.
97. 00:05:34 Sounds like yep, but I've had a fine mind.
98. 00:05:38 I've had like, I don't know, I'm 15 years to develop that, you know, like I haven't
99. 00:05:42 always been that clear in that concern about it.
100. 00:05:45 I've had 15, 15 years to figure that out.
101. 00:05:49 Oh, all right.
102. 00:05:50 All right.
103. 00:05:50 Let's do some follow up.
104. 00:05:53 Uh, I'll start.
105. 00:05:54 So I had a couple of different things.
106. 00:05:57 The first one was easy.
107. 00:05:58 Uh, I nailed this one.
108. 00:06:00 Take an actual lunch break, no phone and away from work.
109. 00:06:04 It's summer.
110. 00:06:05 So I can easily, I can, I can easily take a lunch break gigantic green checkmark.
111. 00:06:11 I nailed this one, Mike.
112. 00:06:12 I feel really good about it.
113. 00:06:13 I'm feeling really good about this.
114. 00:06:14 The real question is whether it's going to stick, you know, don't, don't, don't rain
115. 00:06:19 on my parade, right?
116. 00:06:19 I'm, I'm doing great right now.
117. 00:06:21 Uh, okay.
118. 00:06:22 Second one was figure out a better ending to my work day again.
119. 00:06:25 This has gotten better, uh, because I don't have a work day, uh, that much anymore.
120. 00:06:30 But one of the things that I've been, I've been thinking about with this one is, uh, like
121. 00:06:34 I'm, I'm not the kind of guy who, who's going to be like shut down routine.
122. 00:06:38 Like I've thought about those.
123. 00:06:39 I've tried shutdown routines before.
124. 00:06:42 I think they're good.
125. 00:06:43 It's just not for me.
126. 00:06:45 Like I'm not going to do that.
127. 00:06:46 Like I don't know why I don't, I don't know if I don't have the discipline to do that
128. 00:06:49 or if I just don't care that much.
129. 00:06:51 It's like when the day's over, I'm, I'm out.
130. 00:06:53 Like I'm just going to, I'm just going to take off and leave.
131. 00:06:56 I'm much more likely to then do a, another, like 30 minute session, 15 minute, 30 minute
132. 00:07:03 session later to like review the day and then plan for the next day.
133. 00:07:07 I'm much more likely to do that than I am to do that at the end of the day, usually
134. 00:07:11 by the end of the day, I'm so spent.
135. 00:07:13 So I think that's the one I want to, like as I've reflected on this and I was
136. 00:07:16 I've thought about this is like, that's the one I want to implement is.
137. 00:07:20 Reengage after the kids go to bed for 15, 20, 30 minutes, whatever it might be.
138. 00:07:25 To like do that final reflection and then pop in for the next day and look at, you
139. 00:07:30 know, what the, what the planning is.
140. 00:07:32 Okay.
141. 00:07:33 The next one, the next one is, uh, and I'm going to say that we have a yellow on this
142. 00:07:37 one.
143. 00:07:37 So that last one was yellow.
144. 00:07:39 This one I was going to say is a yellow.
145. 00:07:41 It's leaning towards whatever the combination of yellow and green would be.
146. 00:07:45 All right, folks, Mike and I, well, I wrote it down, uh, that we're going to make a
147. 00:07:51 plan to run a half marathon together in Idaho and out of the blue, I was not expecting
148. 00:07:56 this, this, this surprised me.
149. 00:07:58 Mike sends me a link to a half marathon in Idaho.
150. 00:08:03 Was it in October?
151. 00:08:05 I think is when it was Mike.
152. 00:08:06 I think it was October.
153. 00:08:07 It's the, uh, the city of trees, half marathon.
154. 00:08:11 Um, so that is, uh, I would like to do that.
155. 00:08:14 I, I do have a giant question mark about whether I'm able to do that one
156. 00:08:18 yet with the soccer season.
157. 00:08:20 Okay.
158. 00:08:21 So we got to figure that one out.
159. 00:08:23 I showed it to my wife and she said that maybe the homecoming game and I've got a
160. 00:08:28 senior.
161. 00:08:28 So I'm going to be at homecoming.
162. 00:08:30 That would be a deal breaker for me.
163. 00:08:31 But I looked at the route and it's, uh, it's right along the river and Boise, which I
164. 00:08:36 mentioned every time I'm in there for crafting commerce.
165. 00:08:38 I love running that trail.
166. 00:08:40 So that would be pretty cool.
167. 00:08:41 And, uh, I was also thinking like maybe Rachel and I could go a couple days early
168. 00:08:47 and we could use the kit studios, record more life theme videos like we did last year.
169. 00:08:52 Um, I could show you around Boise, all the, the cool coffee spots, stuff like that.
170. 00:08:57 Like it would be fun, but, uh, I'll get back down that.
171. 00:09:00 We, we could like, we could not only do that, we could record an episode of bookworm
172. 00:09:05 there.
173. 00:09:05 We could, we could have our wives meet and we could do a four person recording
174. 00:09:10 about something that would be, that would be scary.
175. 00:09:13 I know that would be incredibly frightening and my wife would hate every second of that.
176. 00:09:17 But I could still, I mean, the, the thing I'm happy about, and the reason why I'm
177. 00:09:20 going to say this is not a gigantic green, but this is a green enough is because I
178. 00:09:26 got into Mike's head.
179. 00:09:28 I mean, I'm in his head right now, folks, and it feels really good to be in this.
180. 00:09:33 So those are my, uh, those are my three follow up items might have been the most
181. 00:09:35 successful, uh, period of time that I've ever had with follow up items.
182. 00:09:39 Uh, so, so I'm feeling really good today coming in and follow up.
183. 00:09:43 Mike, what were your, what were your follow up?
184. 00:09:45 We should, uh, we should get you a follow up metal or something.
185. 00:09:47 Yeah, a follow up banner, right?
186. 00:09:49 Like we should do like, uh, like the guys doing like, uh, upgrade.
187. 00:09:52 We should have a follow up banner.
188. 00:09:54 You won the follow up award this week.
189. 00:09:56 Yeah.
190. 00:09:58 I did definitely, definitely did not win the follow up award.
191. 00:10:02 Um, one of my, one of my, uh, actually items was to take more caffeine
192. 00:10:06 apps. I did take a caffeine nap, but it was on a Sunday and if you remember,
193. 00:10:10 I explicitly said on a day other than Sunday.
194. 00:10:12 Yes, you did.
195. 00:10:13 So that is not done in my defense.
196. 00:10:16 I was basically working and feeding humans for the last couple of weeks.
197. 00:10:20 Yep.
198. 00:10:21 So very, uh, I have a much greater appreciation for everything my wife does.
199. 00:10:26 I'll just say that.
200. 00:10:27 Just the amount of like food and snack preparation bottles in my mind.
201. 00:10:32 Like I have no idea how kids eat them as much as they do.
202. 00:10:35 And don't waste 700 pounds.
203. 00:10:37 It's true.
204. 00:10:37 Oh my gosh.
205. 00:10:39 Yeah.
206. 00:10:39 And then the other one redo the shutdown routine and make it happy.
207. 00:10:42 Obviously this, uh, kind of failed because, um, busyness, but I still
208. 00:10:47 intend to do that one.
209. 00:10:49 Um, the shutdown routine is something that I've always struggled with.
210. 00:10:55 However, I know that at the end of the day, like you were talking about, I will,
211. 00:11:00 I guarantee I will be too tired to actually do that effectively.
212. 00:11:04 So that's not an option.
213. 00:11:05 It's either make or break for the shutdown routine.
214. 00:11:08 And I really believe that it would be valuable.
215. 00:11:10 Yes.
216. 00:11:10 So I'm in a double down on, on that one.
217. 00:11:13 Okay.
218. 00:11:14 All right.
219. 00:11:14 Good.
220. 00:11:15 Good.
221. 00:11:16 Good.
222. 00:11:16 Are you ready to move into today's book?
223. 00:11:18 Let's do it.
224. 00:11:19 All right.
225. 00:11:19 So today, folks, um, we're going to talk about the confident mind by Dr.
226. 00:11:26 Nate Zinser.
227. 00:11:28 Um, this book, I don't know how it popped into my, uh, onto my radar.
228. 00:11:34 Um, I was just kind of looking at different things that I thought would
229. 00:11:37 be interesting to read for, for bookworm.
230. 00:11:39 Um, and the idea of confidence, the idea of, you know, looking at human
231. 00:11:43 performance, uh, that's probably where it came from is, uh, I've been kind of
232. 00:11:47 really into human performance, both from the mental side and the athletic side
233. 00:11:51 and the learning side.
234. 00:11:53 Um, so somehow probably in the, the work that I do, um, it came up, but he is, um,
235. 00:11:59 the director of West Point's influential performance psychology program.
236. 00:12:03 Uh, so he has a really big tie to the military.
237. 00:12:06 Uh, he also, as Mike and I am sure we'll talk about quite a bit, uh, throughout
238. 00:12:10 this episode.
239. 00:12:11 Uh, I mean, he seems to have worked with every type of athlete that has ever
240. 00:12:15 existed.
241. 00:12:17 And then I'll, oh, by the way, the military as well.
242. 00:12:19 Um, now one of the things about this book, uh, actually, let me give you the full
243. 00:12:24 title of it first, the confident mind, a battle tested guide to unshakeable
244. 00:12:27 performance.
245. 00:12:27 So you can see how he ties it into performance.
246. 00:12:30 Um, but one of the things about this book is it's almost as if, um, work life or
247. 00:12:38 like the average working person is an afterthought, as opposed to being a central
248. 00:12:43 member of this book, right?
249. 00:12:44 Like, I mean, he gives so many examples and ties into so many different like sports,
250. 00:12:51 psychology type things or sports performance type things or Olympic athletes or military
251. 00:12:56 people.
252. 00:12:57 And then he goes, and oh, by the way, like the person giving the presentation at
253. 00:13:00 work, who's like a lot, not confident about it.
254. 00:13:01 And it's, and it's, he doesn't say, oh, by the way, but he basically may as well
255. 00:13:05 say, oh, by the way, um, so for those of you who are, who haven't read this one and
256. 00:13:09 are considering reading it, just know that going into it, like going into it,
257. 00:13:13 you're not going to get a lot of examples for your normal average work a day type
258. 00:13:18 person.
259. 00:13:19 You're going to get more of those, um, elite athlete type examples or military
260. 00:13:25 specialist type examples.
261. 00:13:26 So I'll stop there, Mike, what are your initial thoughts on, on today's book?
262. 00:13:31 Well, I think you're right that you're not going to get a lot of those everyday
263. 00:13:34 examples, but you will get a lot of advice that can be applied to everyday scenarios.
264. 00:13:40 So I was thinking about that too.
265. 00:13:42 Like, what is the ideal balance between talking about the world champion athletes
266. 00:13:48 that you work with and the four star generals that you've worked with and me
267. 00:13:56 who's reading this book?
268. 00:13:58 I think it's fine to err on the side of telling the, uh, the extreme stories with
269. 00:14:04 the very best in the field because I think anyone who is reading this book because
270. 00:14:09 they want to improve their performance, uh, is going to be aspiring to reach higher
271. 00:14:17 levels.
272. 00:14:18 So that's just kind of inspiring to, to hear those stories.
273. 00:14:22 It makes you want to see what you're actually capable of.
274. 00:14:26 So that didn't really, really, uh, bug me.
275. 00:14:30 Um, but also there, there is something about this book and the whole tone of it,
276. 00:14:39 which is sort of like inter excellence, but not exactly.
277. 00:14:44 And I don't really know exactly what it is.
278. 00:14:50 Maybe it's because a lot of the chapters are sort of like listicles and he's got
279. 00:14:55 all of these different frameworks, but this one, I didn't like quite as much, you
280. 00:15:01 know, what we're going to get into the style and rating obviously at the, the
281. 00:15:04 end, but my first initial thought is we're, we're going into this book is like,
282. 00:15:09 this is sort of inter excellence 2.0 and this is either going to be better or it's
283. 00:15:15 going to be worse.
284. 00:15:16 Yeah.
285. 00:15:17 I, I think, um, the inter excellence comparison is a great one.
286. 00:15:20 Um, I, I'm intrigued to see over time which one I reference more, like not directly
287. 00:15:29 reference or like point people to, but like internally, like, which one do I
288. 00:15:32 reference more?
289. 00:15:32 Which one do I remember more, um, in terms of using it in my, my day to day life?
290. 00:15:39 I can't do that now.
291. 00:15:40 It's too fresh, right?
292. 00:15:41 Like the confident mind is too fresh, uh, compared to interactions, but after
293. 00:15:44 they both still a little bit, um, I'd love to, to think about like, which one
294. 00:15:49 did I actually pay attention to more?
295. 00:15:51 I, my gut says it's going to be the confident mind.
296. 00:15:54 I don't know why, but my gut says I'm going to refer back to the confident mind
297. 00:15:57 more than I'm going to refer to inter excellence.
298. 00:15:59 Um, but I don't, I don't know if that'll, that'll hold true.
299. 00:16:03 Interesting.
300. 00:16:04 Yeah.
301. 00:16:04 We'll see.
302. 00:16:05 Um, the, the other thing I want to, uh, kind of double click on with Mike,
303. 00:16:09 what, what, what Mike said is this book does have a lot of like step one, step two,
304. 00:16:13 step three, part one, step two, part two, part three, like, um, it's very, very.
305. 00:16:19 I take a chapter and I break it into like a bunch of different parts or frameworks.
306. 00:16:23 Um, and, um, it didn't bother me while I was reading it, but at the same time,
307. 00:16:27 like it's, it's definitely there.
308. 00:16:29 Like that, that was the structure of the way he wrote this book.
309. 00:16:32 So if you don't resonate with that, you know, you want to pay attention to that.
310. 00:16:35 Um, I, I mean, I thought the parts were good.
311. 00:16:37 Uh, and the way you broke things down made sense, but just pay attention to that.
312. 00:16:40 Uh, as you're, as you're thinking about it.
313. 00:16:42 Sure.
314. 00:16:43 Yeah.
315. 00:16:43 All right.
316. 00:16:43 So let's go to, uh, the introduction.
317. 00:16:45 Um, so the introduction is, uh, the subtitle is, uh, what confidence is and isn't.
318. 00:16:51 He defines confidence.
319. 00:16:53 Um, he just talks about competence and, uh, competence.
320. 00:16:57 So confidence and competence, um, you know, he says confidence is a skill.
321. 00:17:02 It's not all or nothing.
322. 00:17:04 It can wax and wane over time.
323. 00:17:06 Um, it's not a guarantee even after you've had some success and the mistakes and
324. 00:17:11 setbacks don't have to take away your, your confidence.
325. 00:17:14 So he's got a lot of details, just about like confidence in general.
326. 00:17:17 He starts it off with an example.
327. 00:17:21 Um, and that's kind of what he does throughout all of these chapters is he either
328. 00:17:24 starts it off or he quickly gets into kind of an example that's going to run
329. 00:17:29 through most of, of what he's talking about in that chapter.
330. 00:17:32 He'll refer back to those examples at different times.
331. 00:17:35 So the examples are a critical part of this one.
332. 00:17:38 And if I'm remembering correctly, this was a West point cadet, um, dealing with
333. 00:17:42 anxiety in this first chapter, right?
334. 00:17:43 Like that was he, that's what he was dealing with, which makes sense.
335. 00:17:45 He, he works at West point.
336. 00:17:47 So he, he works with a lot of cadets and, um, to get in it, for those of you who
337. 00:17:51 don't know the, the United States, um, kind of military academy system, uh, there
338. 00:17:56 is West point, uh, there's the Air Force Academy, there's the Naval Academy, and
339. 00:18:00 you essentially, um, have to get your senator to recommend you.
340. 00:18:05 And then you have to be like in the top of your class, right?
341. 00:18:08 So a lot of the people that are going to the academies, um, there, um, some would
342. 00:18:13 say like they're the best of the best in certain ways, right?
343. 00:18:16 Like, and they've gotten the references and, and those type of things.
344. 00:18:18 Uh, you also have to have the mindset of you want to go be a soldier because
345. 00:18:21 they're definitely training you to go be a soldier.
346. 00:18:23 They're training you to go lead soldiers.
347. 00:18:24 So it's not for everybody, but for the people it is, you're going to get the
348. 00:18:27 best of the best for the people who want to go into that academy.
349. 00:18:30 So understand that, that context.
350. 00:18:32 The last thing I'll say, Mike, before I turn it over to you is, um, I think,
351. 00:18:36 if you are reading this, uh, this first introduction, uh, chapter, this idea of
352. 00:18:41 first victories, he is going to use the idea of first victories throughout the
353. 00:18:46 remainder of the book.
354. 00:18:47 So pay attention to first victories.
355. 00:18:49 He is all about first victories.
356. 00:18:52 So keep that in mind, pay attention to it.
357. 00:18:54 And it's essentially like winning the battle in your mind, winning the confidence
358. 00:18:57 battle in your mind before you even try to do anything else.
359. 00:19:00 And that's what he would say, like the first victory is, Mike, correct me.
360. 00:19:03 If you think you, you got something different out of that.
361. 00:19:05 But that's what that's what I took away from it is like, I got to win that first
362. 00:19:08 battle in my mind from a confidence standpoint.
363. 00:19:09 And then I can go do whatever else I need to do.
364. 00:19:12 So I'll turn it to you, Mike.
365. 00:19:14 Yeah.
366. 00:19:14 The, the thing that stood out to me from the section is, uh, right at the very
367. 00:19:18 beginning, he talks about how having confidence can put you in an unfavorable
368. 00:19:24 light because in our culture, there is, uh, a certain degree of, of confidence
369. 00:19:33 that people like, but then the people who have a high level of confidence, they
370. 00:19:41 just seem kind of what's the, the, the word, like arrogant, cocky.
371. 00:19:47 Yeah.
372. 00:19:48 Something like that.
373. 00:19:49 And, uh, he calls out right at the beginning that you can be confident
374. 00:19:53 on the inside and polite on the outside.
375. 00:19:56 So I think that was a very effective way to kind of dispel that because I
376. 00:20:00 think anyone, at least in, in the western society that, that we live in, uh, we'll
377. 00:20:07 read that beginning part and sort of identify like, well, I don't want to be,
378. 00:20:11 you know, that jerk.
379. 00:20:12 Yeah.
380. 00:20:13 Yeah.
381. 00:20:14 So you kind of, you know, you don't have to be, be that.
382. 00:20:17 Uh, but yeah, the, the first victory.
383. 00:20:19 That's something that he's going to talk a lot about.
384. 00:20:21 He shares some misconceptions about confidence here.
385. 00:20:25 He also plants the seed for that, uh, human confidence is like a psychological
386. 00:20:30 bank account where every thought affects your, your balance.
387. 00:20:34 Actually not the, the, not chapter one, but chapters two, three, four, uh, yeah.
388. 00:20:42 So those are three different ways to, to build that bank account.
389. 00:20:46 Um, I think that's a really solid way to start the book.
390. 00:20:50 Uh, I think the issues I have do start to surface here though with, um, the
391. 00:20:56 story about the, the West point cadets that he worked with because I'm starting
392. 00:21:03 to realize that my issue with a lot of the stories that he shares is, uh, this
393. 00:21:09 person is amazing and then follow that up with, I worked with them.
394. 00:21:14 So on the one hand, I don't know what to do with that because those are probably
395. 00:21:18 the most effective stories, the ones that you have direct experience with,
396. 00:21:22 especially for a topic like this, but there's also, uh, that the way that
397. 00:21:28 that is framed of, well, I worked with this person and this is, you know, what
398. 00:21:32 I did with them that does come off as like, I, I, I don't really care.
399. 00:21:39 And I don't, I don't know what it is about the way that he did it versus
400. 00:21:42 the way that Jim Murphy did it.
401. 00:21:44 That, um, kind of rubbed me the, the, the wrong way a little bit.
402. 00:21:49 Um, but also I has me thinking, if I'm going to write a book, what's the best
403. 00:21:53 way to tell those stories?
404. 00:21:55 And I feel like the model is sort of like, uh, Ryan holidays where you really
405. 00:22:03 researched something and you really understand the, the topic.
406. 00:22:07 Um, and you can interject some personal experience there, but it did get to be
407. 00:22:11 a little bit too much of like, well, this is, you know, what I worked with this
408. 00:22:14 person and this is what they said.
409. 00:22:15 And every time somebody says this to me, you know, I shake my head because it
410. 00:22:19 really is this simple, you know, like, that's, that's kind of how some of those
411. 00:22:23 stories are created.
412. 00:22:25 Yeah.
413. 00:22:25 I didn't, I didn't pick up on that as much, uh, but I can see how that would
414. 00:22:28 come across like very, very much so, um, can see how that would come across.
415. 00:22:34 All right.
416. 00:22:34 Are we ready to hit chapter one?
417. 00:22:35 Yep.
418. 00:22:36 All right.
419. 00:22:36 Chapter one, um, accepting what you cannot change.
420. 00:22:40 Uh, so, uh, he, he starts off with the intro, um, basically talking about what
421. 00:22:44 confidence is and then, um, gets into this idea of four pillars of human
422. 00:22:50 performance.
423. 00:22:50 So he kind of like, I don't want to say, takes a step back, but he kind of like
424. 00:22:54 found his discussion of confidence on these four pillars of human performance,
425. 00:22:58 which ties into, uh, essentially his graduate work, his graduate or course in
426. 00:23:02 human performance.
427. 00:23:03 So, uh, the four are the interplay of the mind and body, controlling your
428. 00:23:07 thoughts, embracing imperfection and then minimizing frustration.
429. 00:23:11 Uh, the, the clear takeaway for me in this was the sewer cycle and the success
430. 00:23:16 cycle, right?
431. 00:23:17 Like, I mean, these were the two, the two clear takeaways from this chapter for me.
432. 00:23:20 So the, the sewer cycle is, um, I have this thought, right?
433. 00:23:25 This, in the sewer cycle, it's, it's terrible.
434. 00:23:27 I'm in trouble.
435. 00:23:28 Don't mess this up.
436. 00:23:29 And then it goes to unconscious emotion.
437. 00:23:31 So you're disappointed, you're frustrated, you're impatient.
438. 00:23:33 Then it goes to a physical state where now you're tense, constricted blood flow,
439. 00:23:36 tunnel vision, right?
440. 00:23:37 And then it goes to poor execution and poor performance versus the success
441. 00:23:41 cycle, uh, which is basically when you have this conscious thought, okay, let's
442. 00:23:45 see how well I can do, uh, this is my chance, uh, I can do something great too.
443. 00:23:49 Then confidence, eagerness, trust, then to like a more joyful state, less stress,
444. 00:23:56 you know, more, um, it kills it more blood flow, less attention.
445. 00:24:00 And he backs all this stuff up with like physiology, data and neuroscience
446. 00:24:05 and, and stuff.
447. 00:24:06 Um, and then that performance on that would be the best possible, best
448. 00:24:09 possible performance.
449. 00:24:10 So he's got these two different diagrams.
450. 00:24:12 They are by no means the most, you know, exciting diagrams of ever seen in my
451. 00:24:16 life, but they prove his point, uh, pretty well.
452. 00:24:18 So like for me coming out of this, this was the, the sewer cycle and the,
453. 00:24:23 the success cycle where like the two biggest things, it was like, we don't
454. 00:24:25 want to be in the sewer cycle, which is where most of us are.
455. 00:24:29 And if you work through Zincer's process and his processes that he's going to
456. 00:24:33 elaborate in the rest of the book, you'll be much more likely to be in the
457. 00:24:35 success cycle and you'll see more success overall. That's basically my big
458. 00:24:40 takeaway from chapter one.
459. 00:24:42 Yeah, the, uh, the, um, diagrams, I do not like these at all, but I agree
460. 00:24:52 with the, the principal generally.
461. 00:24:54 I think this is, um, this is pretty, pretty accurate.
462. 00:24:58 Now actually I have a different version of this, though, that I think is kind
463. 00:25:03 of saying the same thing, but is, um, much more effective visually.
464. 00:25:08 Okay. Um, I'm not sure how to do this.
465. 00:25:11 I'll try to create something that I can share with the, uh, the,
466. 00:25:17 that put in the, the show notes, um, but I'll try to just share, uh,
467. 00:25:22 something from good notes here for, for you.
468. 00:25:24 Um, I don't know if this is going to mess up the stream.
469. 00:25:26 I hope this is great.
470. 00:25:27 This is not messing up the stream at all.
471. 00:25:28 Okay.
472. 00:25:29 So he's got the, let's see.
473. 00:25:32 I want to make sure I get this right.
474. 00:25:33 Conscious thoughts on conscious emotions, physical state execution.
475. 00:25:37 All right.
476. 00:25:37 So, um, I, I've heard it said this way where the thoughts that you think,
477. 00:25:44 that's the one at the, the top there in that, that circle, right?
478. 00:25:48 That influences your, uh, your emotions or how you feel.
479. 00:25:52 And then your emotions are how you feel influences your actions.
480. 00:25:57 That's the stick guy running at the bottom.
481. 00:25:59 And then based on what you do, that affects the, the words that you say.
482. 00:26:03 And, and I call this the cycle of suck sewer cycle is, is probably a better
483. 00:26:07 way to say it, um, but the positive version of this is not, you know,
484. 00:26:13 just replace the negative stuff with positive stuff.
485. 00:26:16 I actually feel that it works in reverse.
486. 00:26:20 So it does, uh, kind of start with the, the, the thoughts that you have.
487. 00:26:26 When you recognize that those aren't the, uh, the thoughts you should be thinking,
488. 00:26:30 then actually just start saying and confessing the things.
489. 00:26:34 That's a big point he makes throughout the rest of the book is the,
490. 00:26:37 the power of positive confession.
491. 00:26:39 Right.
492. 00:26:39 So you say these things until you start to believe them.
493. 00:26:42 And then when you believe them, they create action, that action then
494. 00:26:45 creates, uh, better emotions because you showed up and you did the thing.
495. 00:26:48 And as you create this evidence, um, for you, uh, you're the type of person who
496. 00:26:53 follows through on this stuff, then it changes the, the thoughts that you have.
497. 00:26:55 And it makes it, it makes it easier.
498. 00:26:56 So, so there is momentum that is built one way or the other with this.
499. 00:27:01 Um, but I think they are different cycles there.
500. 00:27:05 Uh, and maybe, maybe he's right that, you know, it's the same both ways.
501. 00:27:11 And really you just got to take control of the conscious thoughts that you have.
502. 00:27:16 Maybe it really is that, that's simple, but kind of at the, at the foundation level
503. 00:27:22 of the, the, uh, the two circles that I've got is that it is better to act your way
504. 00:27:29 into a better way of feeling than feel your way into a better way of acting.
505. 00:27:34 And I can't remember who I originally heard that from, but when I heard that,
506. 00:27:38 that's one of those things that I kind of noodle down for a while.
507. 00:27:40 And it's like, well, what does that actually look like?
508. 00:27:42 And then, oh, this is how it makes sense.
509. 00:27:44 And so when I draw this, you know, I usually draw it with the arrows going this
510. 00:27:47 way as the negative and then you can flip the cycle, you know, you can go the other
511. 00:27:50 way, um, and that, that's sort of wheel, uh, I, I, or flywheel essentially is what it
512. 00:27:56 is because, uh, as you, that each, each rotation just kind of like builds more
513. 00:28:00 momentum in that direction.
514. 00:28:01 I feel like that's a more effective model.
515. 00:28:04 Um, so right away, like in the beginning, I'm kind of kind of disagreeing with this
516. 00:28:08 model, but I agree completely with the points that he's making from this.
517. 00:28:11 And I actually like the things that he's talking about throughout this book are
518. 00:28:15 really sort of emotional intelligence topics, which is my jam.
519. 00:28:20 So I definitely love the, the, the topics that he's discussing and the, the
520. 00:28:24 content, like the light that he's shining on this sort of stuff, even if I maybe
521. 00:28:28 would have explained it in a little bit different way.
522. 00:28:30 Yeah.
523. 00:28:31 Would you, would you say it's like an internal emotional intelligence thing?
524. 00:28:35 Cause like you're trying to, you're trying to like self analyze your emotions.
525. 00:28:40 Uh, as opposed to like when I think of emotional intelligence, I often think
526. 00:28:44 about it from an external standpoint, like, you know, like, am I emotionally
527. 00:28:47 intelligent in the social setting, which is always true, but it's like, um, I
528. 00:28:52 guess that's the way, like the big difference I think about is, is he and
529. 00:28:55 that, well, the one you showed is like an internal emotional intelligence.
530. 00:29:00 So I think emotional intelligence has a couple of different facets.
531. 00:29:04 One is interpersonal communication.
532. 00:29:09 That's kind of what you're describing.
533. 00:29:10 And then intrapersonal communication is really like the, the communication you
534. 00:29:16 have with yourself.
535. 00:29:18 And that's really what he's talking about in the, the confident mind.
536. 00:29:22 And, uh, yeah, I don't think necessarily one is, is better than the, uh, than the
537. 00:29:27 other, um, and, and, you know, I'm glad that he's, uh, again, shining a light
538. 00:29:34 on, on this sort of stuff, but he essentially built a, a very ugly version of
539. 00:29:40 the fly.
540. 00:29:41 There's like four boxes that are kind of, you know, curved a little bit and then a
541. 00:29:46 giant arrow that goes back to the beginning.
542. 00:29:49 So I just don't think that's a very appealing way to, uh, to display that
543. 00:29:53 visually, but has nothing to do with the quality of the content.
544. 00:29:57 The other thing he says here, which is really important is that the enemy gets a
545. 00:30:00 vote and, uh, that maybe doesn't land real well with a lot of people who don't
546. 00:30:07 have a military background, but the, the core concept here is that when you
547. 00:30:13 create your plans, um, you set your intentions, you're doing everything right.
548. 00:30:18 And then life will life you and you've got to figure out how to adjust and repair.
549. 00:30:25 And, uh, yeah, I have to recognize that.
550. 00:30:27 I mean, there's, this is the, the thing that, that stops so many people who are
551. 00:30:32 wanting to do more of what matters and follow through on their intentions.
552. 00:30:36 Like I've been in the productivity space now for quite a while and I see this
553. 00:30:40 over and over and over again.
554. 00:30:41 It's like, we'll create all the systems.
555. 00:30:42 We'll break down all the projects.
556. 00:30:44 We'll have all these different tasks.
557. 00:30:46 We'll plan out the next quarter and then something happens and it's like, oh, well,
558. 00:30:51 there goes, there goes, uh, everything, just chuck it and start over, you know,
559. 00:30:55 recognizing at the beginning that there's going to be some resistance.
560. 00:31:00 I feel as important.
561. 00:31:01 And if you take that into consideration, then your plans don't have to get
562. 00:31:06 completely disrupted.
563. 00:31:07 You don't have to just chuck it and start over and say, well, I guess that didn't
564. 00:31:11 work because I encountered some resistance.
565. 00:31:13 Like that's part of the process.
566. 00:31:15 Yeah.
567. 00:31:16 Yeah.
568. 00:31:16 Um, as we were, as you were talking, I was reminded of, of one of the other things
569. 00:31:20 that he has in this chapter that I, I really connected with was this idea that, um,
570. 00:31:25 you're autonomous, um, or autonomous, autonomous, autonomous.
571. 00:31:28 Oh man, I can't say it autonomic.
572. 00:31:31 There you go.
573. 00:31:31 Whoo.
574. 00:31:31 Got it.
575. 00:31:32 Okay.
576. 00:31:32 You're autonomic nervous system, right? And the fact that you get the kind of
577. 00:31:36 amped up and you get nervous in the situations, like he really reframes this
578. 00:31:40 in a sense, it's, that's not a terrible thing.
579. 00:31:43 That's like a positive thing.
580. 00:31:44 That's going to help you perform better.
581. 00:31:46 I think this tends to work better in like athletic endeavors.
582. 00:31:51 Because you quickly move into using that, that pent up energy for your
583. 00:31:56 activity, whereas like a public speaking situation, I think it can be a little bit
584. 00:32:01 harder to rein that in and control that or, you know, some, something that's
585. 00:32:05 less like physically taxing.
586. 00:32:08 But at the same time, I really like this idea where he takes that, that nervousness,
587. 00:32:12 that reaction, that higher stress level and says, it's not a bad thing.
588. 00:32:15 That's actually your body adapting to perform, to perform well.
589. 00:32:19 And, and I just like the way you reframed that, um, a lot.
590. 00:32:22 Yeah.
591. 00:32:23 I like that too.
592. 00:32:24 Uh, I talked a little bit about that actually in the, the life theme,
593. 00:32:27 life event that we did, I shared my journey and how I got to where I am today.
594. 00:32:32 And I shared several specific, uh, decisions that were made where I chose
595. 00:32:38 to do something that was outside of my comfort zone.
596. 00:32:42 And I experienced the, the, uh, scenario that he's describing there where you've
597. 00:32:49 got the, the, the butterflies and you're nervous about doing the thing and you're
598. 00:32:52 scared to, to go do it. But what I found is that when I do that, um, once you get
599. 00:32:58 through it and you get to the other side, you find that it's actually very life
600. 00:33:02 giving and it was essentially worth it.
601. 00:33:04 So you don't want the butterflies to go away.
602. 00:33:06 You want to fall in love with the, the butterflies is, is how he, he put it.
603. 00:33:10 But I also think, um, how the odd, odd and nom, the nervous system.
604. 00:33:17 How it, how the, all the specifics of how it works, it kind of doesn't, doesn't matter.
605. 00:33:23 Like you can simplify this.
606. 00:33:25 If it's uncomfortable, do it for sure.
607. 00:33:28 All right.
608. 00:33:29 Let's go to chapter two.
609. 00:33:29 Uh, chapter two is building your bank account number one.
610. 00:33:33 And as Mike said earlier, chapter two, three and four are going to be building
611. 00:33:37 your bank account, number one, number two and number three.
612. 00:33:40 So we're going to focus in on this bank account idea for three chapters.
613. 00:33:43 Uh, the first one is filtering your past for valuable deposits.
614. 00:33:47 Uh, and in this one, he's going to talk about using mental filters.
615. 00:33:51 Um, he's going to talk about what he calls the ESP, right?
616. 00:33:54 So effort success progress to put these deposits in.
617. 00:33:57 He's going to describe, uh, creating a top 10 list, um, and then reflection, um,
618. 00:34:02 what he calls an immediate progress review.
619. 00:34:05 Uh, this chapter in my mind switches from like chapters one in chapter two,
620. 00:34:11 being very like general high level, let's lay like this big foundation.
621. 00:34:16 This becomes like very, very quickly example, um, and action plan,
622. 00:34:22 example, action plan, example, action plan.
623. 00:34:24 Like I worked with so and so we did the following things, even to the point
624. 00:34:28 where he would give like, these are the scripts that this person would use.
625. 00:34:32 Right.
626. 00:34:32 And like, and he's going to do this in the next, like multiple chapters where
627. 00:34:36 it's very, I guess, practical is the best, uh, word I can use where
628. 00:34:40 like before we were laying a foundation and developing a framework, here, we
629. 00:34:43 get very, very practical, um, and he works through these things.
630. 00:34:46 So I don't know if we need to take the time or go through like these in, in
631. 00:34:50 detail, uh, we can talk about like the ones that, that make the most sense for
632. 00:34:53 us.
633. 00:34:54 Uh, so like I will say that the one that resonates the most with me out of this
634. 00:34:58 first, uh, this first bank chapter, uh, would be the immediate progress review.
635. 00:35:03 And the immediate progress review is important in my mind because of the word
636. 00:35:06 immediate, like if you wait till the end of the day, or at least if I wait till the
637. 00:35:10 end of the day, I forget a lot of things, um, that I should remember.
638. 00:35:13 But if I have like a little notepad beside me, or if I have just a note card
639. 00:35:17 beside me and I'm like writing down and just jotting down like daily notes, I'm
640. 00:35:21 so much more likely to get constructive things out of those where he is going
641. 00:35:27 to push me and he's going to extend me is like write down the things that, uh,
642. 00:35:32 impact the confidence, impact my ability to perform, right?
643. 00:35:35 Which I don't typically do that.
644. 00:35:37 Like I, I typically just write down just kind of details and facts of the day.
645. 00:35:41 But like the immediate review, I think from a confidence standpoint, I can see
646. 00:35:45 being incredibly, incredibly valuable.
647. 00:35:49 I agree, uh, it definitely would be valuable.
648. 00:35:52 A lot of the tactics that he shares here would be valuable.
649. 00:35:56 And then after he shares a bunch of them, I start to resent the fact that he's
650. 00:35:59 telling me to do all these things.
651. 00:36:03 So that's, that's probably just me and I should just get over, you know, the viewing
652. 00:36:10 these things as a packaged whole and rip out the pieces that you really think
653. 00:36:15 are going to benefit your current workflows and add those.
654. 00:36:18 You don't have to implement everything that he's talking about, obviously.
655. 00:36:23 But also I, uh, I don't know that that one in particular, like I agree with the
656. 00:36:28 concept, uh, it's essentially the reason why I'm doing my weekly review using the
657. 00:36:34 plus, minus next method in the shortcut that I mentioned before, I'll put a link
658. 00:36:39 to the, the video I did on that if people want to, want to see that.
659. 00:36:42 But I capture those things in the moment because if I wait till the end of the
660. 00:36:46 week, it's, it's not as effective.
661. 00:36:49 Uh, the emotion that comes in the, the moment is, is valuable when, when
662. 00:36:53 going through those sorts of things, but also like I had zero, uh, zero inclination
663. 00:37:00 to actually try to, uh, apply that.
664. 00:37:04 Um, these are very tactical.
665. 00:37:05 So it's a little bit hard for me to, to tease out specific concepts from these
666. 00:37:11 that I want to, uh, to apply.
667. 00:37:15 Um, it's one of the things that the beefs I guess I have with it style and rating
668. 00:37:18 wise is like a lot of it is very kind of prescriptive, but you can, you know,
669. 00:37:26 find that stuff.
670. 00:37:27 Like for example, I think the, uh, the general thing that I, uh, I take away
671. 00:37:32 from, from chapter two here building, which is really the first part of building
672. 00:37:35 your bank account that's going to get confusing is that, um, we have the power
673. 00:37:40 to control our mental filter.
674. 00:37:42 So you can choose what you are going to think about.
675. 00:37:46 Maybe you can't choose which pop, which thoughts are going to pop into your head,
676. 00:37:49 but you can choose what to do with those thoughts.
677. 00:37:52 And, uh, I probably should do a better job of focusing on the positive things
678. 00:37:56 there, but, um, also thinking about what you want more of is the first step to
679. 00:38:01 getting more of it.
680. 00:38:03 Yeah, I, I being selective in your, your thinking and choosing to, to really, I
681. 00:38:09 guess the term would be meditate, like entertain the thoughts that are actually
682. 00:38:13 going to be useful, which are going to be the ones that are positive.
683. 00:38:17 So you'll, you'll hear a lot of like positive psychology in the rest of this
684. 00:38:21 book.
685. 00:38:21 And if that turns you off, like, probably don't want to listen to the rest of this
686. 00:38:25 because that's, that's who this guy is, but also like it's effective and it works.
687. 00:38:29 You can't, you can't really deny that.
688. 00:38:32 So I'm kind of in the middle there where I don't really love like an extreme
689. 00:38:37 focus on that sort of stuff, but I also recognize the, the value and the importance
690. 00:38:42 of it and that I should probably do a little bit better job of it.
691. 00:38:46 So I go into a chapter like this where he's saying, do exercise one, then do
692. 00:38:51 exercise two, then do exercise three.
693. 00:38:54 And I'm going into it thinking, what, if any of this, am I actually going to do?
694. 00:38:59 And in this chapter, it's probably nothing.
695. 00:39:02 So I agree with you though.
696. 00:39:03 I'm like, I kind of had the same situation, um, where I was like, what do I do with
697. 00:39:08 this?
698. 00:39:09 I can't do all of these activities.
699. 00:39:11 Do I pick some and do them?
700. 00:39:13 Like, you know, do I do any of them?
701. 00:39:14 You could if you were completely devoted to becoming the best in the world at one
702. 00:39:19 particular thing, but that eliminates the vast majority of the people who would
703. 00:39:23 actually read this book.
704. 00:39:25 I could not agree with you more.
705. 00:39:27 So this is a conflict that I'm going to have that you're going to see come out in
706. 00:39:29 style and rating.
707. 00:39:30 It's also a conflict that you're going to see me like, I don't have a lot of action
708. 00:39:35 items out of this book because I didn't know how to pick which ones were the most
709. 00:39:40 relevant to me.
710. 00:39:41 And like, if I could have figured that out, I would pick those as an action item,
711. 00:39:44 but I could not figure those out.
712. 00:39:45 So, um, yeah, you're going to see that happen.
713. 00:39:47 Let's, uh, are you good to move on the three?
714. 00:39:49 Yeah, let's do it.
715. 00:39:51 All right.
716. 00:39:51 So the second, uh, building your bank account chapter is, uh, chapter three,
717. 00:39:54 it's constructive thinking in a, uh, in the present.
718. 00:39:57 So what's, I guess the, the crux of this one for me is this idea of positive
719. 00:40:02 self-talk, putting yourself in the present focus.
720. 00:40:05 So a lot of times he addresses this kind of really strongly that says, Oh,
721. 00:40:10 next time I will, whatever.
722. 00:40:12 And he said, no, don't say that.
723. 00:40:14 Like make the statement that says I am and make it in the present.
724. 00:40:17 Like, so, you know, if you think about like a goal score, like in, in hockey or a
725. 00:40:22 forward, uh, is that, is that the right position?
726. 00:40:24 Mike and soccer, right?
727. 00:40:25 Like the, the person, striker, striker.
728. 00:40:28 There you go.
729. 00:40:28 Okay.
730. 00:40:28 I knew I knew I was wrong.
731. 00:40:29 Okay.
732. 00:40:30 So you think about a striker, right?
733. 00:40:31 Like striker, like I'm fast.
734. 00:40:33 I'm quick.
735. 00:40:34 I'm going to play that ball with proper timing or I'm going to play that,
736. 00:40:38 pro, that puck with proper timing, make my fast break and I'm, I'm score.
737. 00:40:41 Like I'm not going to do that in the future.
738. 00:40:43 It's like that's who I am.
739. 00:40:44 I'm fast.
740. 00:40:45 I make that break.
741. 00:40:47 I beat that goalie, right?
742. 00:40:48 Like, and you say that in the present sense.
743. 00:40:50 So I wrote down like kind of the framework, like I present tense verb,
744. 00:40:55 positive language, precise language, powerful language, right?
745. 00:40:58 And like you make this affirmation and then he would say, okay, now what do you do
746. 00:41:02 with that?
747. 00:41:02 You do these affirmations when you walk through a doorway, you do these
748. 00:41:07 affirmations when you brush your teeth.
749. 00:41:08 You do these affirmations in a nightbook.
750. 00:41:11 You write this down 12 times before you, before you go to bed.
751. 00:41:14 I don't doubt for a second that that works.
752. 00:41:18 Like I really think that this is going to work and there is no way in heck.
753. 00:41:23 I'm doing this, right?
754. 00:41:24 Like I'm just, I'm just not going to do it.
755. 00:41:26 Like I know me.
756. 00:41:27 I'm just really not going to do it.
757. 00:41:29 Now I might do it before the big event.
758. 00:41:33 Okay.
759. 00:41:34 Like I'm getting ready to do a thing.
760. 00:41:36 You know, I'm going to do it before the big event.
761. 00:41:38 I'll say that Mike, I even did this.
762. 00:41:40 And it was probably because this was fresh in my brain.
763. 00:41:43 I was taking an assessment and I was like, man, this assessment is going to be
764. 00:41:47 pretty tricky.
765. 00:41:48 Like this is going to be hard, right?
766. 00:41:49 And I had this affirmation in my head that I would, that I said, you know,
767. 00:41:53 probably 10 or 15 times, maybe 20 times before I did the, now did it work?
768. 00:41:57 I don't know.
769. 00:41:58 Like I have no idea if it worked or not, because I don't have like an AB test to
770. 00:42:02 say like I did the assessment without it.
771. 00:42:03 I did the assessment with it.
772. 00:42:04 It worked all I can tell you is like, did I feel better internally?
773. 00:42:08 Yeah.
774. 00:42:08 Like I felt, I felt better internally because it's like I got rid of the
775. 00:42:11 negative thoughts in my head and they were all, all the positive thoughts.
776. 00:42:15 So this is like, I think what the crux of his shifting to the present is
777. 00:42:20 these positive affirmations.
778. 00:42:21 He'll, he'll describe other things like, um, you know, flip the script and like
779. 00:42:26 the now and then, um, these positive thoughts being deposited into your bank
780. 00:42:30 account and we want to keep that bank account full of deposits.
781. 00:42:33 So he talks about positive thoughts being, um, deposits, um, and negative
782. 00:42:37 thoughts being with draws and we want more deposits than we want with draws and
783. 00:42:41 all of that makes sense.
784. 00:42:42 And then he wraps all of this just like he does every other time in a bunch of
785. 00:42:45 different examples, uh, with a bunch of different, you know, kind of, kind of
786. 00:42:48 pieces together.
787. 00:42:49 So I'll turn it over to Mike now to, to see what his thoughts are on this one.
788. 00:42:52 Well, this is the one that really opened my eyes that this is really an
789. 00:42:57 emotional intelligence book.
790. 00:42:58 Okay.
791. 00:42:58 Because he talks about the, um, the self-fulfilling prophecy, which is
792. 00:43:02 something my dad talked a ton about growing up, uh, a belief or expectation
793. 00:43:06 correct or incorrect that you can bring about a desired or expected outcome.
794. 00:43:10 Uh, but really I think it's just whatever you think about comes to pass.
795. 00:43:14 You know, again, there's a simpler version of this.
796. 00:43:17 He talks about how thinking about what you don't want to happen only reinforces
797. 00:43:20 your brain's familiarity with it.
798. 00:43:21 I remember my dad telling me a story, uh, when I was growing up, uh, about this,
799. 00:43:27 this concept and when you're, you're golfing, for example, if you, uh, keep
800. 00:43:31 telling yourself, don't hit it in the water, don't hit in the water, your brain
801. 00:43:34 attaches to the water.
802. 00:43:35 It doesn't ascribe a positive or negative, uh, value to it.
803. 00:43:39 It just is focused on the water.
804. 00:43:41 So you are much more likely than to hit it in the water.
805. 00:43:44 And he was, he taught me, you know, focus on the, the fairway, you know, pick
806. 00:43:48 the spot where you want the ball to go.
807. 00:43:49 And it's not going to go there all the time, depending on the skill that, and
808. 00:43:53 that you have the proficiency you're able to hit the ball with as a golfer.
809. 00:43:58 Um, but the focus, uh, significantly increases the, uh, the, uh, chances of, of
810. 00:44:04 you getting that, that outcome that you're, you're after, and that, that lesson
811. 00:44:08 really stuck with me.
812. 00:44:09 So I see a lot of that coming through in, uh, this particular chapter.
813. 00:44:14 I like the, the focus on the affirmations.
814. 00:44:17 This is one of my action items.
815. 00:44:19 You know, he's got a bunch of other stuff, ways to make deposits.
816. 00:44:22 You can't talk about this in notebooks, nightcap, the open doorway, the macro
817. 00:44:25 affirmation statements and the audio, all that kind of stuff.
818. 00:44:29 But the one thing I got from this is affirmation statements, because I have
819. 00:44:32 some affirmation statements, which I forget specifically, which book they
820. 00:44:35 were associated with.
821. 00:44:36 Maybe it was in her excellence, um, not I think about it, but I started, uh, adding
822. 00:44:41 those into a collapsible call out on my daily note template and obsidian.
823. 00:44:45 So I open those and I read those out loud almost every day.
824. 00:44:50 Um, as part of my, my daily routine.
825. 00:44:52 And, uh, that's been really helpful.
826. 00:44:55 So I have learned a lot about affirmations.
827. 00:44:59 Since I wrote those though, that was kind of a crappy first draft.
828. 00:45:03 And he talks about writing affirmations in the first person being present tense,
829. 00:45:07 positive language, precise language, powerful language, all that kind of stuff.
830. 00:45:10 I want to go back and revisit my affirmations and see if I can't tune them up.
831. 00:45:14 And I'm not going to use the, the five rules here as rules per se, but I
832. 00:45:19 think there are some good suggestions here, which can maybe help me write some
833. 00:45:24 better affirmations.
834. 00:45:25 And then I don't know, maybe I'll add a couple more to that, uh, that list.
835. 00:45:29 I think there's four or five currently.
836. 00:45:32 Awesome.
837. 00:45:32 All right.
838. 00:45:32 So let's move to chapter four.
839. 00:45:34 Chapter four is, uh, the last building your bank account chapter, uh, envisioning
840. 00:45:38 your ideal future.
841. 00:45:40 So this chapter is all about this one, this chapter is all about pitching
842. 00:45:44 yourself, doing the thing, um, achieving the thing that you want to achieve, uh,
843. 00:45:51 basically adjusting yourself image, right? And he goes through quite a few
844. 00:45:55 different things in order to help you, uh, envision, right?
845. 00:45:59 So, you know, he's got, um, this deja vu experience where essentially
846. 00:46:04 though you're trying to, to project it so much that it feels like deja vu when
847. 00:46:07 you're actually doing the thing, uh, I can't remember if this is where he did
848. 00:46:11 the Michael Phelps, um, example or not.
849. 00:46:14 But like I know Michael Phelps has done this.
850. 00:46:16 Do you remember Mike?
851. 00:46:18 I think he mentions it here, but I can't remember the specifics.
852. 00:46:21 I did not write down any of the takeaways from the stories that he shared.
853. 00:46:27 I didn't write down any of the stories because I was like, there's just so many
854. 00:46:30 of them. I don't know which ones like I didn't, I didn't write down any of them.
855. 00:46:33 But anyway, here let's talk about part one warming up your envisioning muscles.
856. 00:46:37 Part two, practicing to improve, uh, part three, nailing a great performance.
857. 00:46:41 Um, is there another part?
858. 00:46:45 Yeah, there's the steps to envisioning.
859. 00:46:47 Okay, so, uh, if you have those, go ahead and list those off right now.
860. 00:46:51 Cause I don't have those in front of me.
861. 00:46:52 Sure.
862. 00:46:53 So envisioning, let me define that first.
863. 00:46:54 Uh, actually is the deliberate production of an emotionally powerful
864. 00:46:57 multi-sensory, imaginative experience of a desired future event or events.
865. 00:47:01 All these definitions are way too complicated.
866. 00:47:03 I know.
867. 00:47:04 Anyways, steps to envisioning begin with a clear sense of your desired outcome.
868. 00:47:08 Set the scene for your breakthrough and list out a few key moments you expect
869. 00:47:12 to encounter in your breakthrough experience.
870. 00:47:15 And again, like this is powerful.
871. 00:47:18 I have a step in the life theme process, which is literally called create
872. 00:47:23 your ideal future, but I don't really like any of this really just get specific.
873. 00:47:31 You know, he talked about it last chapter of, of, uh, the focusing on the,
874. 00:47:36 the positive things, the self-fulfilling prophecy, you know, focus.
875. 00:47:41 When you have this, this thing that you're, you're thinking about, this,
876. 00:47:44 this thing that you want to, uh, the scenario that you want to create, you
877. 00:47:48 know, I guess if you're really trying to become the best in the world at a
878. 00:47:52 specific thing, you probably do need to follow step by step processes in order
879. 00:47:57 to really dial that in, but the 80/20 here for almost every normal person.
880. 00:48:04 Is think about this just by thinking about it, you will get a significant
881. 00:48:11 amount of, of, uh, progress and maybe, you know, all the steps that he's
882. 00:48:16 listing here, I'll take you the, the, the final 5% help, help you across the,
883. 00:48:20 the finish line.
884. 00:48:20 If you really want to win the gold medal or something like that.
885. 00:48:23 But it reminds me of the, the cortex episode, which came out recently.
886. 00:48:27 I'm not sure if you listen to cortex, but they were, uh, reminiscing on 10 years
887. 00:48:31 of, of the podcast.
888. 00:48:33 And, um, one of the things they were talking about was how surprised they
889. 00:48:37 were at the beginning of the show, they were talking a lot about ergonomics
890. 00:48:40 and battling RSI and they both started weight training and Mike only does it
891. 00:48:44 like once a week, but he said that, uh, it's amazing how even just a little bit
892. 00:48:48 of weight training makes a huge difference in terms of that stuff.
893. 00:48:51 And I feel like that's, that could be applied here too.
894. 00:48:55 So what, what I think, what I think you were balancing here, Mike, and as we
895. 00:48:59 talk about this, and this is by no means a knock, right?
896. 00:49:01 So hopefully this doesn't come across as overly negative.
897. 00:49:04 We're balancing the fact that like there is the, I write a book like this
898. 00:49:09 and I want people to have a practical application coming out of it.
899. 00:49:12 Like I want them to have these like steps that they can follow and in these
900. 00:49:15 rules.
901. 00:49:15 I also work with like super high end clientele, right?
902. 00:49:20 That I need to like, not justify why they're working with me, but like the
903. 00:49:25 more elaborate the routine, the better this whole process might go or like the
904. 00:49:29 more value they, they, they get out of me.
905. 00:49:32 And I think you're absolutely right.
906. 00:49:34 In terms of like, do we really need to be this complicated with most normal
907. 00:49:38 people?
908. 00:49:40 No, I don't think we need to be this complicated with most normal people, but
909. 00:49:43 I don't think he's writing to most normal people.
910. 00:49:45 So therefore I think, I think the, I think the problem is you and I, I don't
911. 00:49:50 think the problem is his book.
912. 00:49:52 The problem is our expectations for this book.
913. 00:49:54 Like that's what I, that's what I think.
914. 00:49:56 Maybe, I mean, there's definitely a scenario if you are Dr.
915. 00:50:01 Nate Zinser and you are very specific, I want to work with coaching clients who
916. 00:50:07 are or have the potential to be the very best in the role that what they do.
917. 00:50:11 And you're writing this book as your business card.
918. 00:50:14 Maybe this is the best way to do it.
919. 00:50:17 But it kind of has the, I think it has the potential to have the opposite effect.
920. 00:50:22 I think of the books that we have read that, like one that comes to mind is
921. 00:50:30 simple marketing for smart people by Billy Broass.
922. 00:50:33 And there's a lot of good stuff in there.
923. 00:50:36 You get done with the book and it's so not a sales pitch that you're kind of
924. 00:50:40 like, I want more.
925. 00:50:41 I want to join your program that you very briefly mentioned, but I don't even
926. 00:50:44 know what it's called.
927. 00:50:46 You know, those are the types of things that I am probably exponentially
928. 00:50:52 more likely to take the next step in the customer journey.
929. 00:50:57 If it's not just in your face all the time.
930. 00:51:01 And I don't think he necessarily think he's trying to be in your face with it,
931. 00:51:04 but it definitely comes across that way.
932. 00:51:07 And there's no distillation for if I'm not this person, what do I do with this?
933. 00:51:15 That's a danger with these types of books.
934. 00:51:17 And we probably gotten pretty good at generalizing these because we've read
935. 00:51:22 hundreds of them at this point.
936. 00:51:24 But for the average person, that's hard to do.
937. 00:51:28 And so I think that's something you got to be aware of with with this one.
938. 00:51:31 Like there's some good stuff in here, but you really got to mind the
939. 00:51:34 nuggets and for most people, even though what he is telling you is technically
940. 00:51:39 correct, do not try to do this because it will drive you crazy.
941. 00:51:43 Yeah, I think one of those nuggets out of this chapter is the flat tire drills.
942. 00:51:48 Right.
943. 00:51:48 I don't know if you know, I don't know if you remember those or not, but it's like
944. 00:51:51 having envisioning these ideas of the way things could mess up, right?
945. 00:51:56 And then trying to account for those.
946. 00:51:58 And like that way, when you get into the situation and it messes up, you're not
947. 00:52:03 shaken, you're not like taken back.
948. 00:52:05 Like there's no kind of freak out situation, which can happen really, really easily.
949. 00:52:10 I think that is an incredibly valuable thing.
950. 00:52:13 Right.
951. 00:52:14 And I mean, he gives you the details of how to how to walk through it, right?
952. 00:52:17 Like follow these simple guidelines and he lists out the guidelines.
953. 00:52:19 I'm not going to list them out here, but it's like, it's really, really
954. 00:52:23 an important piece.
955. 00:52:24 I think when you're when you're doing a visioning exercises, because most of the
956. 00:52:27 time you'd think, oh, I'm only going to envision the positive things.
957. 00:52:30 Like the really good me winning the championship, blah, blah, blah, all that
958. 00:52:32 stuff. Well, I don't envision that like halfway through the race, you know, I
959. 00:52:37 break my toe, like, you know, something like that.
960. 00:52:39 And that's like, am I going to keep running the race?
961. 00:52:41 Like, what am I going to do?
962. 00:52:42 Like, I'm experiencing this significant thing.
963. 00:52:44 So I do think you're right.
964. 00:52:46 Like there's a lot of really good nuggets in here.
965. 00:52:48 And it's just mining for them and figuring out what they are.
966. 00:52:52 Yeah, I agree.
967. 00:52:53 And I like the flat tire drill.
968. 00:52:54 I don't like the name personally, but that's just because I have that that
969. 00:53:00 concept is solidified in my brain as a pre mortem from some business book
970. 00:53:04 that I read at some point.
971. 00:53:06 Flat tire drill probably actually is a little bit more accessible, to be honest.
972. 00:53:11 All right, let's let's go to chapter five.
973. 00:53:13 Chapter five is protecting your confidence every day, no matter what.
974. 00:53:18 It's the vote this chapter.
975. 00:53:19 He says it this way devoted to the safeguards, the mental habits that will
976. 00:53:22 prevent both the external bad events, those inevitable errors and mistakes and
977. 00:53:26 setbacks and the internal negative thoughts, which everyone has.
978. 00:53:30 So he gives again a three part mental model or mental method for for dealing
979. 00:53:35 this part one, think of each and every mistake error and sent back as temporary.
980. 00:53:39 So temporary would be the key word there.
981. 00:53:41 Part two, think of every mistake or error as limited.
982. 00:53:45 So limited is the key word there.
983. 00:53:47 And then part three is think of your various setbacks and imperfect moments
984. 00:53:51 as non-representative of yourself.
985. 00:53:52 So he's trying to address these three things that would impact your
986. 00:53:56 confidence the most, right?
987. 00:53:58 Oh, there was this mistake or the setback.
988. 00:54:00 I'm going to have mistakes forever.
989. 00:54:02 Like I'm going to, you know, be a consistent screw up, you know, like it's
990. 00:54:06 always going to happen to me kind of a thing.
991. 00:54:08 The second one would be like, Oh, I made a mistake in this aspect of my life.
992. 00:54:12 I'm going to mess up everywhere.
993. 00:54:13 Like I'm never going to be any good at anything and it's going to apply to every
994. 00:54:17 domain of my life.
995. 00:54:18 And then the last one was like putting basically putting the mirror on
996. 00:54:22 yourself and saying like, Oh, I made a mistake in this area.
997. 00:54:25 I am a person who makes mistakes.
998. 00:54:27 I'm a terrible, you know, whatever it might be.
999. 00:54:30 So he's directly addressing these three things with the idea of not
1000. 00:54:38 undermining the confidence that you have, even when things go wrong.
1001. 00:54:43 So this is in my mind, the when things go wrong, don't completely erode
1002. 00:54:47 everything about your life chapter.
1003. 00:54:50 Yeah, I agree with that.
1004. 00:54:52 There's some great stuff in here.
1005. 00:54:53 A lot of it, I don't like the way that it's positioned.
1006. 00:54:57 He talks about the shooter's mentality.
1007. 00:54:59 For example, the tendency to think that any mistake or setback is actually
1008. 00:55:02 bringing you closer to success, where I think keeping you away from it.
1009. 00:55:04 That's true.
1010. 00:55:05 If you have skill or proficiency, the tendency to think, and then the
1011. 00:55:09 second part of that is the tendency to think that once any success is achieved,
1012. 00:55:12 it will continue and will make other successes possible.
1013. 00:55:16 So there's value in that.
1014. 00:55:17 But again, like the takeaway here for the normal person is the
1015. 00:55:23 negative thoughts will pop up like a game of whack-a-mole and you have to
1016. 00:55:26 deal with it over and over.
1017. 00:55:28 I think if I were to encapsulate, you know, one takeaway from this chapter,
1018. 00:55:32 that is the gold nugget right there.
1019. 00:55:34 Now, how you actually do that, I don't think you need all of the steps.
1020. 00:55:39 But step one is essentially recognizing the negative thoughts and then doing
1021. 00:55:46 something about it.
1022. 00:55:47 He defines it as always getting the last word.
1023. 00:55:50 I'm not sure how I think what I think of that.
1024. 00:55:52 I think I like that approach because it kind of just implies that you have
1025. 00:55:57 to answer each one of those things.
1026. 00:55:59 And I feel like if you did that, if you just recognize every time you were
1027. 00:56:02 talking to yourself about yourself and answered it with something positive,
1028. 00:56:07 that would probably have a significant positive effect in your life.
1029. 00:56:12 Yeah.
1030. 00:56:13 So you hit that shooter's mentality.
1031. 00:56:15 The only other one is the, I like the acknowledge it, silence it, replace it
1032. 00:56:19 that he talks about where I just think it's a good general practice for looking
1033. 00:56:25 at these negative things and saying, okay, that happened.
1034. 00:56:28 Okay, it's not a big deal and let's move on.
1035. 00:56:30 Let's replace it with a, with a positive thought.
1036. 00:56:32 Are you ready to go to chapter six?
1037. 00:56:34 Yes, let's do it.
1038. 00:56:35 So chapter six, my big note as we start chapter six is a lot here, right?
1039. 00:56:40 Like I don't know what happened in chapter six, but I felt like he just went crazy.
1040. 00:56:46 Like he just, and maybe it was me.
1041. 00:56:48 Like maybe I just got a lot more out of chapter six than, than, um, then the
1042. 00:56:53 other chapters, but okay, chapter six is deciding to be different, letting your
1043. 00:56:56 bank account earn maximum interest.
1044. 00:56:58 Um, he, I mean, he goes through here and if I'm, if I'm remembering correctly,
1045. 00:57:04 this was the Dion Sanders example.
1046. 00:57:06 I think it is.
1047. 00:57:08 And I love this chapter too, you know, deciding to be different.
1048. 00:57:11 We have one of our Schmidt's family core values is determined to be different.
1049. 00:57:14 So very much the, the same, same mindset here. Uh, he does talk about several
1050. 00:57:18 people who decided they were going to be different, but Dion Sanders was the one
1051. 00:57:22 with like the five, five steps from one interview that he did a long time ago.
1052. 00:57:27 Yep.
1053. 00:57:27 And I, and I like how he, he makes a statement and then says the first victory
1054. 00:57:32 takeaway makes a statement, first victory takeaway.
1055. 00:57:34 For me, that resonated a lot with me.
1056. 00:57:36 So I'll give you, like, I'll give a couple of examples of these.
1057. 00:57:38 So basically Deon Sanders believes he's better than everybody else he plays
1058. 00:57:42 against, right?
1059. 00:57:43 So the, the one thing is, uh, I'm better than you.
1060. 00:57:45 I believe that I'm better than you.
1061. 00:57:46 And the first victory takeaway is approach every task with the conviction
1062. 00:57:49 that you will absolutely succeed.
1063. 00:57:51 Yeah.
1064. 00:57:51 And it's like, I just think these are really, really good.
1065. 00:57:53 Um, out, I will outplay you on a specific play.
1066. 00:57:56 First victory takeaway.
1067. 00:57:58 The only moment that matters is this one live freely, uh,
1068. 00:58:00 live free of any resistance from your, from your past.
1069. 00:58:03 And the example that he gives here, which I thought was really, really good
1070. 00:58:06 is you think about a football player and a football player is going to have to do
1071. 00:58:11 60 plays a game.
1072. 00:58:13 Well, they're not going to be perfect ever, all 60 plays.
1073. 00:58:16 Like it's very, very unlikely.
1074. 00:58:17 They're going to have a play where they're going to get beat.
1075. 00:58:19 They're going to, you know, drop the ball.
1076. 00:58:20 They're going to do whatever it is.
1077. 00:58:21 And if they let that stew in their brain, it's going to mess up the rest of the
1078. 00:58:25 game where it has the potential to rest up the rest of the game.
1079. 00:58:27 Right.
1080. 00:58:27 Whereas if you just say like, okay, that's dunk, I'm going to move on.
1081. 00:58:31 Okay.
1082. 00:58:32 Like next play, next play, next play.
1083. 00:58:34 So you get this idea of next play.
1084. 00:58:35 So he has, uh, what do we have?
1085. 00:58:38 Five of these, right?
1086. 00:58:40 Then he rolls into limiting beliefs and he's got seven limiting beliefs.
1087. 00:58:43 Then he rolls into like the first victory, like, um, alternatives to those
1088. 00:58:48 beliefs and he's got seven of those as well.
1089. 00:58:51 I don't think it makes sense for us to go through all of these, but Mike, maybe
1090. 00:58:54 like just hitting the ones that you, you find the most interesting.
1091. 00:58:58 Um, I mean, I gave you some from my, from my D on Sanders thing.
1092. 00:59:01 But if you want to hit with some of the limiting beliefs or the first, uh, first
1093. 00:59:06 victory alternatives, uh, I think that'd be a good way to move, move through this
1094. 00:59:09 one.
1095. 00:59:10 Well, so I agree in principle that limiting beliefs need to be overcome.
1096. 00:59:17 Um, I'm not a huge fan of the specific examples that he shares here.
1097. 00:59:23 Um, I guess I could pick a couple.
1098. 00:59:27 Uh, so the experts know what's best.
1099. 00:59:30 Um, and the winners have earned your, uh, your reverence.
1100. 00:59:36 Uh, I feel like that kind of contributes to the imposter syndrome.
1101. 00:59:42 And, um, there's always somebody else there's who's more successful than you
1102. 00:59:45 and done more than you.
1103. 00:59:46 And so you should just listen to what they say, but that's at the, the heart
1104. 00:59:50 of my big beef with a lot of like these, uh, not these, not this specific one,
1105. 00:59:54 but systems books, um, like getting things done, I think is a cause classic
1106. 00:59:58 example of this.
1107. 00:59:59 It's a very specific system.
1108. 01:00:01 And I know so many people who have tried GTD and then given up on it and
1109. 01:00:04 assumed that they were broken because it didn't click for them.
1110. 01:00:07 No, like you don't need to have 43 folders.
1111. 01:00:10 If you're a digital native, like you should figure out how to adapt this
1112. 01:00:13 and apply the parts of it to your workflow.
1113. 01:00:15 That makes sense to you, um, always be your own harshest critic.
1114. 01:00:19 Another, another bad one.
1115. 01:00:20 I don't know.
1116. 01:00:21 I'm not a huge fan of these.
1117. 01:00:23 I do think it's interesting.
1118. 01:00:24 The framing that he had with Deon Sanders though, um, he said Deon Sanders is
1119. 01:00:28 the only person to play both the Superbowl and the World Series.
1120. 01:00:31 So that is on the surface, a very compelling reason to use Deon Sanders
1121. 01:00:38 for those five rules.
1122. 01:00:40 However, I think it probably doesn't matter.
1123. 01:00:44 That just might do sense.
1124. 01:00:45 Kind of curious what you think about that.
1125. 01:00:47 Well, it's just such an extreme example, right?
1126. 01:00:49 Like he's the only person, right?
1127. 01:00:51 Like the only person.
1128. 01:00:53 I think we might be able to bucket him into like, you know, an end of one.
1129. 01:00:58 Yeah.
1130. 01:00:58 I mean, let's just be real about it.
1131. 01:00:59 Like he, he's probably an end of one.
1132. 01:01:01 Can we get stuff out of his, his philosophy and his, his life and his career?
1133. 01:01:06 It's not sure we can, but I think pushing too hard on that.
1134. 01:01:10 I don't know.
1135. 01:01:10 Like that, like, I shake on that.
1136. 01:01:12 He's probably a hall of fame football player.
1137. 01:01:15 I have no idea if he's actually in the hall of fame or not, but like he had a
1138. 01:01:17 very successful football career.
1139. 01:01:19 He was okay at baseball.
1140. 01:01:21 He wasn't that great.
1141. 01:01:22 So the fact that he got to the World Series and baseball, sort of a fluke, in my opinion.
1142. 01:01:28 And to just hold that up as like the World Series plus the Super Bowl.
1143. 01:01:32 Therefore Deon Sanders is the voice to listen to with this.
1144. 01:01:37 I mean, he's the poster child for the, the person who just kind of rubs you the
1145. 01:01:42 wrong way because they're, they are so confident.
1146. 01:01:45 And honestly, with Deon Sanders, I would say cocky.
1147. 01:01:47 I mean, just look at the stuff that he was saying with the Colorado football team.
1148. 01:01:51 And then they started getting their butts kicked.
1149. 01:01:53 Like, why?
1150. 01:01:54 Yeah.
1151. 01:01:55 You do need to develop a confidence.
1152. 01:01:56 And actually I like, I like him as a person.
1153. 01:01:59 I feel like what he's doing in the way he's investing in the lives of the kids in the
1154. 01:02:03 Colorado football program.
1155. 01:02:04 And he's got like, I think Marshall Falk as coaching with them and Warren
1156. 01:02:08 Sapp, like they're really trying to make a positive difference in the lives of these,
1157. 01:02:13 these kids that they're coaching.
1158. 01:02:14 So I have, I have no, no issues with the, you know, the intentions and the overall
1159. 01:02:19 net effect, I think is, is still positive.
1160. 01:02:21 But you just listen to some of the interviews that he does and he shows up with the bling,
1161. 01:02:25 you know, you're just like, no, that doesn't resonate with me.
1162. 01:02:29 He is definitely not your confident, not cocky example.
1163. 01:02:33 I don't think he is by any means.
1164. 01:02:34 Now, the confident piece, he's very confident, but he's definitely confident on cocky.
1165. 01:02:39 Um, okay.
1166. 01:02:39 So I have a question for you.
1167. 01:02:40 Uh, first victory, alternate belief, um, number five, beliefs produce behavior.
1168. 01:02:46 So confidence comes first.
1169. 01:02:48 What is your thought on that?
1170. 01:02:49 Do you, do you agree with that?
1171. 01:02:51 Beliefs produce behavior.
1172. 01:02:53 So confidence comes first.
1173. 01:02:55 Yeah, before action, right?
1174. 01:02:57 Like, so you need to have confidence before you like necessarily demonstrate
1175. 01:03:02 like, um, that the beliefs will help produce that action.
1176. 01:03:08 I don't know.
1177. 01:03:09 I mean, I get what he's saying and I think there's an element of truth to it.
1178. 01:03:14 I can also think of ways that I disagree with it.
1179. 01:03:18 So the thing that comes to mind would be something like, um, do you ever read, uh,
1180. 01:03:25 the war of art by Stephen Pressfield?
1181. 01:03:28 I have not.
1182. 01:03:30 So that's kind of the, the, the classic book on overcoming the resistance.
1183. 01:03:37 And, um, his whole thing is, and that's the most famous version of it, but there's
1184. 01:03:43 lots of people who wrote about that.
1185. 01:03:44 Lots of famous quotes about it.
1186. 01:03:45 Uh, one quote that comes to mind is, um, only right when inspiration strikes.
1187. 01:03:51 Fortunately, it shows up every morning at nine o'clock sharp and the, the takeaway
1188. 01:03:55 from that is even if you don't feel it, you got to just do it.
1189. 01:03:59 So I think, um, for someone who is, uh, creative, maybe that's the exception
1190. 01:04:08 to what he's talking about there, but that's the world that I live in.
1191. 01:04:14 I even got, I even have a small group in the library where it's a creative
1192. 01:04:19 coaching group where we're trying to help people overcome the resistance right
1193. 01:04:23 every day, spin up their, their side hustle, uh, solid knowledge product online,
1194. 01:04:28 stuff like that.
1195. 01:04:29 So, um, I think if I were to take that approach with those people, they just
1196. 01:04:34 would never do anything.
1197. 01:04:35 You know, if I look back on past Mike and, you know, wait until you feel
1198. 01:04:38 confident before you write something, I wouldn't have ever done anything.
1199. 01:04:42 Um, and that paralyzed me for a long time, actually, that specific belief is
1200. 01:04:45 like, well, I don't want to write something that's wrong.
1201. 01:04:48 I have to get better before I can do the thing.
1202. 01:04:51 The way you get better is by doing the thing.
1203. 01:04:54 And in some situations, yeah, you have to practice with your personal
1204. 01:04:57 trainer and your, your, uh, uh, personal coach till you develop the skill before
1205. 01:05:02 you compete on the international stage.
1206. 01:05:04 But for most people, like no one's going to give you permission to do that.
1207. 01:05:07 No one's going to come alongside you and be like, Hey, I'm going to help you do
1208. 01:05:10 this. You just got to do it.
1209. 01:05:13 Maybe that's why you picked that one.
1210. 01:05:14 I don't know.
1211. 01:05:15 Yeah.
1212. 01:05:15 Maybe.
1213. 01:05:17 Um, all right.
1214. 01:05:17 I'm ready to go to chapter seven.
1215. 01:05:18 We're around in the corner here, folks.
1216. 01:05:20 There are nine chapters and an epilogue.
1217. 01:05:22 So, um, we're doing well.
1218. 01:05:23 Um, the chapter seven is entering the arena with confidence.
1219. 01:05:27 So we make a switch at this point, um, to now we're going to start to think
1220. 01:05:31 about using the confidence to actually perform.
1221. 01:05:34 So I would say we, we kind of turn a corner here to go into, um, more
1222. 01:05:38 back, more about human performance.
1223. 01:05:40 So, uh, he starts us off with, um, like transitioning doesn't just happen
1224. 01:05:45 automatically that, um, a lot of times we need like an effective, like what he
1225. 01:05:49 calls a pregame routine.
1226. 01:05:51 Uh, he just, he describes this as three, having three key steps, uh, doing an
1227. 01:05:55 inventory or an assessment.
1228. 01:05:57 Um, and then, um, analyzing the upcoming situation and then deciding that you
1229. 01:06:01 have enough skill and that you can be successful.
1230. 01:06:03 Uh, he then takes that and he breaks each one of those down and a lot more
1231. 01:06:07 words, um, so, uh, step one would be, you know, um, he kind of makes these
1232. 01:06:12 clever, like phrases for them.
1233. 01:06:14 They like, so what's in your wallet, right?
1234. 01:06:16 Like, so basically what do you have access to, um, take stock of the
1235. 01:06:19 situation is who, what, where, um, and then, um, the last one is decide
1236. 01:06:23 you're enough.
1237. 01:06:23 And, um, I like this one.
1238. 01:06:25 I think the most is go from savor to spender or from workhorse to racehorse,
1239. 01:06:29 right?
1240. 01:06:29 Like, so I, I kind of like the way he phrases that one, uh, the most, the
1241. 01:06:32 third step, um, I'm going to talk about that one.
1242. 01:06:34 And then that, that might come in kind of on the other ones is, uh, if he
1243. 01:06:38 wants to, but this idea of up until now we've been thinking about how do we
1244. 01:06:42 build up that bank account?
1245. 01:06:43 How do we, how do we put things in the confidence bank account and, and help
1246. 01:06:47 ourselves to become more confident?
1247. 01:06:49 And at some point we've got to use that, right?
1248. 01:06:52 At some point we've got to use that confidence.
1249. 01:06:53 We've got to turn it into action, right?
1250. 01:06:55 And this is where I like this idea from savor to spender.
1251. 01:06:57 So we take all those things that we've developed, right?
1252. 01:06:59 And we kind of, kind of push those forward and actually perform, actually do
1253. 01:07:03 the thing that we said we're going to do.
1254. 01:07:06 Um, he talks about, uh, different like sub tactics.
1255. 01:07:10 So in the step three, when the sub, sub tactic would be statements only, they
1256. 01:07:14 are not allowed to ask questions anymore.
1257. 01:07:16 Like you reach a point where you, you basically are only doing affirmations
1258. 01:07:19 and you stop asking, uh, questions.
1259. 01:07:22 Uh, and then that way you, you stop like kind of second guessing yourself.
1260. 01:07:25 Um, if you will, I'm prepared as I can be, right?
1261. 01:07:28 I'm enough.
1262. 01:07:29 Here we go.
1263. 01:07:29 Like, and, and let's get out there, uh, and do it.
1264. 01:07:32 I don't doubt for a second that this, this like really works.
1265. 01:07:36 I just don't know if I can see myself in a situation where I would use this
1266. 01:07:38 all the time.
1267. 01:07:40 Like, I think if I was like, um, you know, like the closest thing to me would be,
1268. 01:07:43 like I somehow became like a keynote speaker that traveled around and, and
1269. 01:07:47 spoke at a bunch of different keynote events or spoke to different industry
1270. 01:07:51 organizations.
1271. 01:07:51 So that's probably the closest way that I would do this where I would have
1272. 01:07:54 like a pregame routine to kind of pep myself up for doing these types of talks.
1273. 01:07:59 I'm not going to do this for a class that I teach, you know, like on a normal day.
1274. 01:08:05 Like, I mean, I teach like, you know, what would it be?
1275. 01:08:08 It's at least 12 sessions of a class a week, if not more.
1276. 01:08:12 Like, I'm not going to do that 12 times a week.
1277. 01:08:13 Like, it's just, it's, the stakes aren't high enough for me.
1278. 01:08:16 So it's like, this is where it's like, there's a disconnect for me in this, in
1279. 01:08:20 this book in terms of like, I just don't know if the things that I'm doing are
1280. 01:08:25 worthy of the steps he's outlining, or maybe I just don't need enough confidence
1281. 01:08:32 in those areas to do them.
1282. 01:08:34 So it's where the pregame routine kind of breaks down for me.
1283. 01:08:37 So this is where I feel like specifically that comment that you just just shared.
1284. 01:08:45 That's sort of the, the sad tragedy with this book.
1285. 01:08:51 Because not just because of what Dr. Nate Zinser has mentioned so far here,
1286. 01:08:56 but all the other things that I have read and all the experience I have in this arena.
1287. 01:09:02 Uh, I would say absolutely it is worth it for you to have a ritual, which
1288. 01:09:07 helps you go from workhorse to racehorse 12 times a week as you are preparing.
1289. 01:09:13 And if we were to follow you around for a day, we might even be able to find
1290. 01:09:19 that you have one already.
1291. 01:09:21 Uh, it's just, it's just smaller.
1292. 01:09:23 And you haven't really thought about the specific pieces of it.
1293. 01:09:27 And I think that's the, the valuable thing here.
1294. 01:09:30 And so actually my other action item from this book comes from this chapter,
1295. 01:09:34 which is I want to identify my own pregame ritual.
1296. 01:09:38 But game day is different for everybody.
1297. 01:09:40 And he just sort of talks very briefly about that.
1298. 01:09:44 And all the extreme examples of this is how this person crushed it in the PGA
1299. 01:09:49 championship or the Beijing Olympics, that's hard to relate to.
1300. 01:09:54 But I do think that there's a lot of value in identifying a short pre ritual.
1301. 01:10:00 Maybe it's, you know, 15, 20 minutes before you go to your next class.
1302. 01:10:04 And this is the thing that I do.
1303. 01:10:05 And this is the value that it, it gives me and it allows me to show up as
1304. 01:10:11 my best, most authentic self so that I can deliver the most value to the
1305. 01:10:16 students that are in the class, like that's something that you want to do.
1306. 01:10:19 You do want to perform at a high level, right?
1307. 01:10:21 Hold on, hold on.
1308. 01:10:22 I guess I got to stop you.
1309. 01:10:24 Mike, would you consider yourself a confident person?
1310. 01:10:27 Not a cocky person.
1311. 01:10:28 Would you consider yourself a confident person?
1312. 01:10:31 On the outside, probably people would say yes.
1313. 01:10:34 On the inside, not, uh, not all the time, those two don't always match up.
1314. 01:10:40 But yeah, generally, yeah, generally, okay.
1315. 01:10:42 Cause I mean, I, I, I don't see you as a person who lacks confidence, right?
1316. 01:10:46 So you're outside, like I would agree with you on your outside perspective.
1317. 01:10:48 It, what is an area and this not meant to be a Mike interview?
1318. 01:10:52 This is, I'm getting to a point.
1319. 01:10:53 So, um, what is an area where you would say you are inherently less confident?
1320. 01:10:59 Uh, I mean, basically anytime I show up to make anything online, there is a bit
1321. 01:11:04 of imposter syndrome.
1322. 01:11:05 So I think that, that, that's how that shows up to me.
1323. 01:11:07 And I kind of have figured out over the years, specific ways to, to deal with
1324. 01:11:12 that, depending on the, the venue.
1325. 01:11:14 Yeah, cause, cause this is where like my head, I, I'm hearing what you're saying.
1326. 01:11:17 And I'm like, yes, I agree with you.
1327. 01:11:18 Like, I think it would benefit when it comes to teaching a class, like I, I don't
1328. 01:11:25 lack confidence, like I know, cause I've prepared, I'm going to go into, I'm going
1329. 01:11:30 to go into that and it's going to be fine.
1330. 01:11:31 Like I know it's going to be fine.
1331. 01:11:32 I know things are going to mess up.
1332. 01:11:34 I know the students are going to ask questions and sometimes I'm not going to
1333. 01:11:36 know the answer to them.
1334. 01:11:37 Like I know that everything is going to be okay.
1335. 01:11:40 So it's like in this, my, in my, in my brain and this is where I want you to correct
1336. 01:11:44 me.
1337. 01:11:44 This is where, like I'm thinking in my brain, it seems like a waste of time to do a
1338. 01:11:49 pregame routine for a situation where I'm already confident.
1339. 01:11:52 Now, like there will be other situations where I'm less confident.
1340. 01:11:55 So let's say I have to give a presentation to a bunch of supervisors, right?
1341. 01:11:59 And it's like, okay, I like, I'll, you know, I want to make sure all my, oh, my
1342. 01:12:03 doctor in a row, I want to make sure like that I'm going to say the right thing.
1343. 01:12:06 I want to practice that presentation a couple of different times.
1344. 01:12:08 I think in that situation, I'm much more likely to have a pregame routine and it
1345. 01:12:12 would be much more valuable for me.
1346. 01:12:13 But for something, um, how do I say as routine, but I don't mean it in, in that
1347. 01:12:19 way, like, like what my job is to teach classes.
1348. 01:12:22 I've done this hundreds, if not thousands of times.
1349. 01:12:25 I'm good.
1350. 01:12:27 Like I, I feel okay with that.
1351. 01:12:28 Am I wrong?
1352. 01:12:29 Like I'm asking you for me, like, am I wrong?
1353. 01:12:32 Like should I be doing a pregame routine?
1354. 01:12:34 Well, again, you probably have one and you just haven't codified it.
1355. 01:12:38 So for example, I've recorded thousands of podcasts episodes at this point, but
1356. 01:12:42 there is still a routine that is individual to the podcast.
1357. 01:12:47 So if it's my book, the first part of the routine is finish the book and add the
1358. 01:12:52 notes so that we have a shared understanding of what we are talking about.
1359. 01:12:56 And for your episodes, books that you've picked, you've done the same, same thing.
1360. 01:13:01 Um, when I sit down to record, I make sure that I fill up my water bottle, which
1361. 01:13:08 is off to the side here.
1362. 01:13:10 I review my mind map briefly.
1363. 01:13:13 I try to get up and move around because I know I'm going to be sitting for the
1364. 01:13:16 next two hours while we record this thing.
1365. 01:13:19 Yeah, that's a 10 minute thing, but it happens every time and it allows me to
1366. 01:13:25 show up and deliver the best version of the podcast that that I can.
1367. 01:13:32 Um, the first place that this showed up for me was when I started doing webinars
1368. 01:13:36 way back in the day with Asian efficiency, because I would have all the slides done.
1369. 01:13:41 I knew the material.
1370. 01:13:42 I knew I knew what I was talking about, like I could deliver the presentation, but
1371. 01:13:47 I still got super nervous doing it live to hundreds of people.
1372. 01:13:51 So I would force myself to, uh, about a half an hour before I was supposed to go
1373. 01:13:57 live, shut down the slides, leave my house, walk around the neighborhood, come back.
1374. 01:14:04 And then I was much more calm, much more composed and was able to deliver a much
1375. 01:14:09 better webinar.
1376. 01:14:11 So there's different versions of this for the different types of, of presentations
1377. 01:14:15 and things that I, I do, but I recognize that there's like an ideal way to get me
1378. 01:14:21 in the zone for that type of stuff.
1379. 01:14:23 And again, you probably have that.
1380. 01:14:25 You probably subconsciously are like, okay, I'm going into this class in a, in a half
1381. 01:14:30 an hour. So you just sort of routinely just go do specific things.
1382. 01:14:34 Um, and I don't know what they are, but I think you, you don't even have to have
1383. 01:14:38 like a codified in my obsidian, you know, I have a note for these are the steps,
1384. 01:14:43 the checklist that I follow before I do the thing, but just thinking about it a
1385. 01:14:46 little bit, I feel like it, it just kind of, it creates this sense of, a sense of
1386. 01:14:51 calm, maybe from the routine, you know, because it's, I've done this before and
1387. 01:14:54 I don't have to be nervous about this.
1388. 01:14:56 And I think that's where this breaks down for me is like I, I gather that his is
1389. 01:15:01 much more to build the mental confidence and in mine, it would much more be to be
1390. 01:15:07 prepared and comfortable, not confident, which I'm not saying that's bad.
1391. 01:15:12 It's just there's a difference there in terms of the way I think about it.
1392. 01:15:15 But you got me my action item.
1393. 01:15:16 I want to try to identify, I want to try to identify where I have these pregame
1394. 01:15:20 routines and I don't realize it.
1395. 01:15:22 Like I want to try to pay attention to that throughout the next, the next couple
1396. 01:15:25 days, cool. So yeah, all right, you're ready to go to eight, let's do it.
1397. 01:15:29 All right, so chapter eight, playing a confident game from start to finish.
1398. 01:15:33 Okay, in this section, he talks about mental techniques.
1399. 01:15:36 So things like, you know, is it a temporary one time occurrence?
1400. 01:15:41 Is it limited?
1401. 01:15:42 We tie back into these?
1402. 01:15:43 Is it non representative of, of that's not me?
1403. 01:15:47 We, we get into this idea that there's research out there that supports this
1404. 01:15:52 quiet mind, helps for high level of execution.
1405. 01:15:56 Then he gets into probably what I think is the, the, his most important point in
1406. 01:15:59 this chapter is this three step CBA pre shot routine.
1407. 01:16:03 Cue your conviction, breathe your body, attach your attention.
1408. 01:16:08 So, um, you know, how am I going to cue like, kind of what I need to do?
1409. 01:16:13 Um, then how am I going to like kind of breathe through it?
1410. 01:16:16 And he goes into this whole spiel about kind of the, the importance of breath
1411. 01:16:20 work. And then, you know, he comes into this idea of like fixing on, you know,
1412. 01:16:27 this, um, this attention, uh, and staying focused, uh, as you're going, going
1413. 01:16:32 through the thing.
1414. 01:16:32 So that's a, that's a high level of, um, kind of this actually performing
1415. 01:16:38 throughout the entire game and staying focused, uh, throughout the entire game.
1416. 01:16:44 I dislike CBA so much, but why, why, what, what, what gets you?
1417. 01:16:49 We'll go ahead.
1418. 01:16:51 I don't know.
1419. 01:16:52 Um, cue your conviction, breathe your body and attach your ambition is what
1420. 01:16:58 I wrote down, not, not attention, but maybe that's, that's wrong.
1421. 01:17:03 It's very convenient.
1422. 01:17:05 It's very clever.
1423. 01:17:07 Uh, it feels like this is a three step process over that, that really could be
1424. 01:17:13 condensed as just breathe.
1425. 01:17:18 I don't know, like again, what he's talking about is, is good.
1426. 01:17:22 Like stop thinking so much about what you're doing, pay attention to what's
1427. 01:17:25 going on around you, get out of your mind and into your, your senses.
1428. 01:17:29 I agree with that.
1429. 01:17:31 Uh, I think it's important to have a pre shot routine, a consistent
1430. 01:17:35 mental vehicle or path that channels your mind directly into the task at hand.
1431. 01:17:39 Uh, I'm a basketball fan.
1432. 01:17:41 So there's a very effective, uh, example of this for me because, um, the local
1433. 01:17:47 team is the Milwaukee Bucks and they've been bad for a really long time until
1434. 01:17:52 they drafted this kid named Yana Setakupo out of Greece, who over the summer put
1435. 01:17:56 on like 70 pounds of muscle one year and became one of the greatest players
1436. 01:18:00 that would play the game.
1437. 01:18:02 Um, he's, he's the way that he plays is crazy.
1438. 01:18:05 Uh, he's so athletic and he's just a hundred miles an hour the entire time.
1439. 01:18:10 So you kind of feel like he's, uh, he doesn't have a real long window.
1440. 01:18:17 Right, but also he's done a lot to, um, to conserve his energy.
1441. 01:18:25 Uh, and, uh, I just think he has a really great mindset about a lot of different
1442. 01:18:28 things.
1443. 01:18:28 For example, one of the things that he does, he has this very specific free
1444. 01:18:32 throw routine and because he plays so aggressively, so violently for so long,
1445. 01:18:37 he gets to the, the free throw line, uh, pretty frequently.
1446. 01:18:41 He gets banged up a lot, but he's, he's figured out a way to maximize that time.
1447. 01:18:45 He knows that he's got 10 seconds to shoot a free throw, but the timer doesn't
1448. 01:18:48 start until the ball is in his hands.
1449. 01:18:51 And he also knows that he doesn't have to grab the ball the minute or the second
1450. 01:18:54 that he walks up to the free throw line.
1451. 01:18:55 So if you watch him every time he goes there, he goes through his motion and he
1452. 01:18:59 like pretends he's shooting a free throw.
1453. 01:19:02 Once maybe twice, then he looks at the ref, then they give him the ball, then he
1454. 01:19:07 dribbles it a set number of times, takes a great, big breath in, great, big breath
1455. 01:19:12 out and in the playoffs, you know, because he's like right at that 10 second limit
1456. 01:19:17 every time the fans will start counting faster to try to get in his head to get
1457. 01:19:21 him to miss.
1458. 01:19:22 He's not that great, a free throws to begin with.
1459. 01:19:24 So whatever, but he's maximized, like every second of rest he can get whenever
1460. 01:19:29 he goes to the, the free throw line.
1461. 01:19:32 So that's what I, the picture that's conjured up for me with the pre shot routine.
1462. 01:19:35 And I think you should, you should, you should think about the, the, the stuff
1463. 01:19:39 that, that you're going to be doing as part of that.
1464. 01:19:41 Maybe that's a better, a better definition for what I was describing in the last
1465. 01:19:45 chapter, where it's not really a whole big ritual because you're getting ready
1466. 01:19:48 to, to do this big thing.
1467. 01:19:50 But maybe walking in a class for you is, is more of a pre shot routine that you
1468. 01:19:54 go through as opposed to a formal, formal ritual.
1469. 01:19:58 Yeah.
1470. 01:19:59 But again, like cue your conviction, breathe your body, attach your ambition.
1471. 01:20:02 What the heck does that mean?
1472. 01:20:03 Like, I think about those things.
1473. 01:20:05 And even with the descriptions that he's added, I'm like, I'm more confused
1474. 01:20:09 and less likely to do this now.
1475. 01:20:11 Why don't you just tell me to, to take a step back, breathe, and then
1476. 01:20:15 focus on what you're doing.
1477. 01:20:18 Yeah, I would agree.
1478. 01:20:19 I think, I think that's a, it's a complicated explanation for that.
1479. 01:20:23 Like I really do think it's a complicated explanation for that.
1480. 01:20:26 Uh, so fun, funnily enough, like, I think the biggest thing I got to this
1481. 01:20:30 chapter is towards the end of the chapter.
1482. 01:20:31 He, um, he describes a coach or a manager talking to one of the pictures
1483. 01:20:38 in baseball and he, and he says to the, to the pitcher, there's 500, uh,
1484. 01:20:43 million people in China who don't care what happens in this ball game.
1485. 01:20:47 And I'm like, man, like what a, what a way to like reset somebody's
1486. 01:20:52 like mental thinking or level said it's like, listen, this thing that you are
1487. 01:20:55 like completely stressing over and super worried about.
1488. 01:20:58 Yeah, there's like millions and millions of people who could absolutely care less.
1489. 01:21:02 And I'm like, man, what a powerful statement.
1490. 01:21:05 Like, cause it just allows you to be, allows you to be more free in the moment,
1491. 01:21:09 allows you to be more confident in the fact that it's like, listen,
1492. 01:21:12 I'm going to go hard.
1493. 01:21:13 And if it goes well, great, if it goes poorly, great, like, it's going to be okay.
1494. 01:21:16 Everything's going to be all right.
1495. 01:21:18 Yeah.
1496. 01:21:19 Agreed.
1497. 01:21:21 Ready to go to chapter nine.
1498. 01:21:23 Yeah.
1499. 01:21:23 Let's go to chapter nine.
1500. 01:21:24 Okay.
1501. 01:21:24 Chapter nine is, uh, ensuring the next first victory and what Mike and I have done
1502. 01:21:29 somehow, and I'm not sure how we've done this is we've made it most of the way
1503. 01:21:33 through this conversation without using the phrase first victory.
1504. 01:21:36 Because Mike, if I had to guess, I would say first victory is probably
1505. 01:21:40 written 200 times in this book.
1506. 01:21:43 Yeah.
1507. 01:21:43 So it's not original though.
1508. 01:21:44 He, he takes it from Stephen Covey.
1509. 01:21:46 I think who said that things are created twice first in your mind.
1510. 01:21:50 So that's really the first victory is, is in your mind.
1511. 01:21:53 And that's sort of the pattern for a lot of the stuff in the book is,
1512. 01:21:57 let's just re-wrap things that other people have said in specific ways and add
1513. 01:22:03 funny acronyms and list of things, uh, which again, I have no experience as a,
1514. 01:22:08 as a, uh, best in the world at anything.
1515. 01:22:11 So maybe that's the effective way to do this.
1516. 01:22:15 Yep.
1517. 01:22:15 I mean, uh, the book, I mean, the book has, has good reviews and it's been
1518. 01:22:19 right a bunch.
1519. 01:22:19 So I guess maybe that is the way to do it.
1520. 01:22:21 Um, but okay.
1521. 01:22:22 So, so chapter nine, ensuring the next first victory reflect, plan and commit,
1522. 01:22:26 or, uh, what happened?
1523. 01:22:28 So what, and now what?
1524. 01:22:30 Um, so, um, it's the way he breaks this down.
1525. 01:22:32 And, I mean, it's the, it's this simple three step process that he's given a
1526. 01:22:36 bunch of different times throughout this book, uh, he ties it to the military,
1527. 01:22:39 which makes sense or what they call an act or action report and AAR.
1528. 01:22:44 Um, so you're going to do the what just happened.
1529. 01:22:46 All right.
1530. 01:22:47 So what, like, what does that mean?
1531. 01:22:48 And then what does that mean in the future?
1532. 01:22:50 Like now what do we do, um, in, in light of that, uh, in the future.
1533. 01:22:54 This is pretty straightforward in my mind.
1534. 01:22:57 Like I didn't get any kind of major takeaways, uh, out of this chapter.
1535. 01:23:01 It was mainly thinking about like, okay, you know, we give the speech.
1536. 01:23:05 We turn in the report, we pitch the game, we do whatever we do.
1537. 01:23:09 And then we do a, uh, an activity that says, here's what happened.
1538. 01:23:13 Here's what that means.
1539. 01:23:15 And here's what we're going to do moving forward.
1540. 01:23:17 And through that process, we are going to enhance our confidence, um, kind of
1541. 01:23:21 think about, you know, things in a, in a way that, that will boost our confidence.
1542. 01:23:25 So really I don't have a ton on this chapter.
1543. 01:23:27 This chapter was pretty, pretty straightforward for me.
1544. 01:23:30 Well, there's definitely something in here that I wanted to talk about.
1545. 01:23:33 Um, and that is, well, first of all, I'll say that the AAR, uh, again,
1546. 01:23:39 I don't really like that, that definition, but the what so what now?
1547. 01:23:43 I think that's a pretty effective framing.
1548. 01:23:45 I could see that being, being useful.
1549. 01:23:48 Um, there is a section here on page two, 89, where he talks about
1550. 01:23:52 continue doing, start doing and stop doing.
1551. 01:23:57 I assume you've heard me talk about those things.
1552. 01:23:58 I say that, that sounded quite familiar from someone I know who does some things,
1553. 01:24:03 uh, like a, like a quarterly review or a mine.
1554. 01:24:06 Mine is not completely original either, but again, I like mine better.
1555. 01:24:11 And if I could find the specific place where I think Keith Cunningham first talked
1556. 01:24:17 about that, he's the one who, um, wrote the book, the road less stupid,
1557. 01:24:21 which was kind of my introduction to this concept of thinking time.
1558. 01:24:25 And yeah, that is a part of my personal retreat process is those three questions.
1559. 01:24:29 But it's also a part of my wife and I is date night.
1560. 01:24:31 It's part of every single retrospective I ever do now.
1561. 01:24:34 Because there's really a lot of value that can come from asking those three
1562. 01:24:39 specific questions and, uh, continue doing just sounds weird.
1563. 01:24:45 Let's start doing stuff to keep doing. That's what it should be.
1564. 01:24:49 It's a really minor nitpick.
1565. 01:24:51 Um, and the larger point I want to call out here is that I think almost every
1566. 01:24:55 single chapter I have found something where it's like, that is a really powerful
1567. 01:25:01 idea that I love and I have maybe heard about it before, maybe, maybe not.
1568. 01:25:07 Um, but there's, it's kind of shocking to me, having talked through all this,
1569. 01:25:10 how much overlap there is with a lot of the things that I, I talk about a lot
1570. 01:25:16 of the things that I, I make.
1571. 01:25:18 So I feel like if I were to meet Dr. Nate Zinser in person, you'd probably be
1572. 01:25:21 one of my favorite people.
1573. 01:25:23 We would talk for hours if we ever met for, for coffee.
1574. 01:25:26 Um, but at this point, I kind of don't like a lot of stuff that's in this book.
1575. 01:25:31 And it's kind of weird.
1576. 01:25:32 I'm recognizing that inconsistency in myself.
1577. 01:25:35 Well, it's funny.
1578. 01:25:36 What's funny hearing you talk about it is like, is what you've said and I'm
1579. 01:25:39 just going to reword it, you like what's in the book.
1580. 01:25:41 You just don't like the way it's packaged, right?
1581. 01:25:44 Like you, yeah, you think the packaging, like I don't think you, you think the
1582. 01:25:47 stuff in the book is bad.
1583. 01:25:48 No, it's just the packaging.
1584. 01:25:49 You've figured out better ways to package it for you.
1585. 01:25:52 And, you know, that's okay.
1586. 01:25:54 Right.
1587. 01:25:54 I think that's, that's completely fine.
1588. 01:25:56 Um, all right.
1589. 01:25:57 I'm ready to move to the, the epilogue, which is the last and final little bit here.
1590. 01:26:02 It's not very long at all.
1591. 01:26:04 Um, so the bus driver, the general and you, uh, very, very quick here.
1592. 01:26:09 Um, the bus driver, he's riding a bus in New Orleans and the bus driver,
1593. 01:26:12 says something along the lines of just change your mind.
1594. 01:26:15 If you're having a bad day, change your mind.
1595. 01:26:17 Right.
1596. 01:26:17 And he, he latches on to that point and basically wants to give that to us to
1597. 01:26:22 say like, listen, you can change your mind.
1598. 01:26:25 Just go do it, like go change your mind.
1599. 01:26:26 Then he ties into the general.
1600. 01:26:28 This is where he talks about the four star general and he points out that
1601. 01:26:30 basically this winning the first victory is a continuous ongoing process that
1602. 01:26:35 never changes.
1603. 01:26:37 You got to just keep working at it.
1604. 01:26:38 You got to keep nourishing, nurturing it.
1605. 01:26:40 Got to keep practicing it, um, every day, all, all the time.
1606. 01:26:44 And then he points to you and he says, are you going to do it?
1607. 01:26:46 Are you going to change your mind?
1608. 01:26:47 And are you going to work on this, uh, every day and practice this all the time?
1609. 01:26:51 You can do it.
1610. 01:26:52 Kind of here's the, here's the charge at a boy, go get them kind of thing.
1611. 01:26:56 Um, and that's, that's my takeaway of the epilogue.
1612. 01:26:58 Mike, what, what did you get from it?
1613. 01:27:01 Best section in the whole book.
1614. 01:27:03 Seriously.
1615. 01:27:04 That the, the story about the, the story about the bus driver was great.
1616. 01:27:09 And you know what's great about that story?
1617. 01:27:10 It doesn't matter who the bus driver is.
1618. 01:27:14 I wish there were more stories like that.
1619. 01:27:16 And it wasn't, you know, this is this hockey player who's went on the verge of
1620. 01:27:21 making it to the NHL, being one of the best that ever play the game, but he's
1621. 01:27:24 had this, has this big roadblock.
1622. 01:27:25 Like I can't relate to that.
1623. 01:27:27 And again, maybe I'm not the person he wrote the book for then, but if you write
1624. 01:27:31 a book, you generally want to sell more of those books, to sell more of those
1625. 01:27:35 books, it has to be applicable by more people.
1626. 01:27:38 So I kind of don't think he's writing it just for the people who really want to be
1627. 01:27:42 the very best at what they do.
1628. 01:27:45 I love that story about the bus driver, the story about the general.
1629. 01:27:48 I didn't really care for that one as much because of what I just said, but also
1630. 01:27:51 it's a fairly emotional story.
1631. 01:27:53 So, um, there is that emotional aspect to it, which I think is, is, makes it an
1632. 01:27:59 effective story.
1633. 01:28:00 The quote that he shares from Sun Zu is great best.
1634. 01:28:03 This is the greatest, uh, this may be the greatest conclusion to a book I've
1635. 01:28:06 ever read, to be honest, like he's, he has this quote, victorious warriors win first
1636. 01:28:10 then go to war while defeated warriors, go to war first and then seek to win.
1637. 01:28:14 And then wraps it all up by saying, what kind of warrior are you going to be?
1638. 01:28:19 Like, this is great.
1639. 01:28:22 Um, I kind of wish I hadn't taken 300 pages, you know, to get to this point.
1640. 01:28:27 But seriously, this is this part's awesome.
1641. 01:28:32 Yep.
1642. 01:28:32 Uh, okay.
1643. 01:28:33 Wrapped it up well, um, that's our, uh, that's the confident mind.
1644. 01:28:38 So we made it through the confident mind.
1645. 01:28:40 Uh, now it's time to look at what action items did we take away?
1646. 01:28:45 Um, I'll start us off.
1647. 01:28:46 Uh, I only had one, uh, coming out of this book.
1648. 01:28:49 Uh, my first action item was to try to identify where I've developed pregame
1649. 01:28:53 routines that I don't know about, um, and figure out how those, uh, how those
1650. 01:28:58 work.
1651. 01:28:59 And I'm going to actually modify this based on what Mike said.
1652. 01:29:01 I'm going to look at pregame or preshot routines.
1653. 01:29:05 Cause I like the way the way Mike refined that.
1654. 01:29:07 Cause I think I have more preshot routines and I'll have pregame routines.
1655. 01:29:11 So, uh, that's my only action item from this book.
1656. 01:29:13 And I feel good about the fact that it, um, that I got one.
1657. 01:29:17 Well, to be, to be honest, they're, they really are just routines.
1658. 01:29:22 So it's fine to combine.
1659. 01:29:24 It's true.
1660. 01:29:25 Yes.
1661. 01:29:25 Correct.
1662. 01:29:26 Correct.
1663. 01:29:26 I could just drop the pregame or preshot and just put routines.
1664. 01:29:29 But okay.
1665. 01:29:30 Mike, what do you got?
1666. 01:29:30 What are yours?
1667. 01:29:31 All right.
1668. 01:29:31 So I got two of them here, um, my rituals and then revisiting my affirmations,
1669. 01:29:37 which we talked about at length.
1670. 01:29:39 So we don't need to revisit those.
1671. 01:29:41 Um, I feel like this is the kind of book where you could have, you know, 50
1672. 01:29:47 action items, if you really tried to apply every single thing that he, he
1673. 01:29:50 talked about, but, uh, I told you to interject here for people who didn't
1674. 01:29:54 listen the whole episode, just jump straight to the action items and
1675. 01:29:57 style and rating, uh, don't do that.
1676. 01:30:00 Yeah.
1677. 01:30:00 I, I, I told you, like before, I didn't know kind of what to prioritize.
1678. 01:30:05 Like as I was going through here and nothing jumped out at me, um, from a
1679. 01:30:09 major way.
1680. 01:30:09 So I ended up having nothing until we recorded the episode.
1681. 01:30:12 I didn't have any action items identified prior to this.
1682. 01:30:15 Um, okay.
1683. 01:30:16 So let's go style and rating now, uh, my book.
1684. 01:30:18 So here we go.
1685. 01:30:20 Um, overall, Mike, I liked this book.
1686. 01:30:24 Like I, I thought this was a interesting book on a subject of confidence.
1687. 01:30:30 I thought the stories were, were interesting.
1688. 01:30:33 Um, and there were, there were good examples.
1689. 01:30:36 I think he provided good tangible examples for different things.
1690. 01:30:40 Um, my biggest, um, my, probably my biggest issue with the book was, I
1691. 01:30:44 thought there were too many examples.
1692. 01:30:46 I didn't think we needed that many examples.
1693. 01:30:49 I didn't have the rub that I think you're going to talk about.
1694. 01:30:52 Um, where you didn't really like the way you contextualized a lot of things.
1695. 01:30:56 And, you know, like the way you have like better packages for things.
1696. 01:30:59 I didn't have that.
1697. 01:30:59 It was fine for me to, to read his perspective on these things.
1698. 01:31:03 Um, I actually think I'm going to use quite a bit of what I captured out of
1699. 01:31:08 this book, um, in areas where I, where I lack confidence.
1700. 01:31:12 I'm going to think about it.
1701. 01:31:12 I'm going to go, okay, what would Zincer say is a way to, to address this
1702. 01:31:16 and, and to kind of approach this?
1703. 01:31:17 I already used one thing and that was cool to see it be somewhat successful.
1704. 01:31:22 Um, as I, uh, thought about that assessment and, and was, was working on that.
1705. 01:31:26 Um, so overall, I mean, I thought this was a good book.
1706. 01:31:29 I don't, I, by no means think it was the best book I've ever read.
1707. 01:31:31 I can't tell you that I'm going to recommend it to everybody.
1708. 01:31:35 Um, or that I'm going to recommend it often.
1709. 01:31:37 Um, I think if I am mentoring or advising people who are struggling with
1710. 01:31:41 confidence and I think they're struggling with confidence, I might throw this book
1711. 01:31:44 at them, but even then it's, it's hard because it's just so context specific.
1712. 01:31:49 Like his examples are so context specific that I think it's hard for a
1713. 01:31:54 lot of people to, to relate with.
1714. 01:31:56 And I also think it's hard for them to relate with for 350 something pages or
1715. 01:32:00 however long, along the book is like, and it's just a long, uh, at times, I
1716. 01:32:05 thought it was drawn out, um, if I'm being, being completely honest.
1717. 01:32:08 So this book's going to get a four star out of me, um, because I think it's
1718. 01:32:12 valuable, but I don't think it's the best book, um, that I've ever read.
1719. 01:32:15 And I think it's a, a little context specific.
1720. 01:32:18 So I'm going to give it a four star, uh, and I'm excited to hear what you
1721. 01:32:21 think of it, Mike.
1722. 01:32:23 Well, first of all, WWZD, I think that's your new, let me take away.
1723. 01:32:26 What would, what would zens are do?
1724. 01:32:29 Wow.
1725. 01:32:29 What was it?
1726. 01:32:30 Uh, no, I pro, that's probably too strong.
1727. 01:32:35 Um, I am conflicted, uh, because I don't want to do point five ratings.
1728. 01:32:44 So I agree with everything that you said about this book, uh, just now.
1729. 01:32:50 I think it is a valuable read.
1730. 01:32:54 I think it is, uh, a fairly entertaining read.
1731. 01:32:58 There were a lot of honestly very nitpicky stuff that I blew out of proportion
1732. 01:33:04 for the sake of entertaining podcasting.
1733. 01:33:07 Um, I love the way you package that.
1734. 01:33:12 Well, it's true.
1735. 01:33:13 I mean, if we're, we're being honest, like, uh, but the stuff that I picked out is
1736. 01:33:17 really not a, not a big deal.
1737. 01:33:19 And what he talks about does, I believe have the potential to completely change
1738. 01:33:23 your life.
1739. 01:33:25 I think it's an important topic.
1740. 01:33:26 I think it's an important message.
1741. 01:33:29 And I think, uh, a lot of the nitpicks go away.
1742. 01:33:32 If this is the first book that I've read on, on this sort of thing, I do still
1743. 01:33:38 struggle with the fact that there's tons and tons of action items in here.
1744. 01:33:43 And it is, it does come across as a bit of a system.
1745. 01:33:47 And I don't like that.
1746. 01:33:48 So go into it with your eyes open and pick and choose the pieces that you really
1747. 01:33:52 want to, uh, want to apply, but the, the bigger nitpick I have with the overall
1748. 01:33:59 style and rating of the book, I think is just that when you're going through it
1749. 01:34:03 and you're reading about all these individual act and action items, I want to
1750. 01:34:06 hear what you think about this, but the way I read them, it feels like if you
1751. 01:34:12 don't do the beginning ones, the next ones aren't going to be as effective.
1752. 01:34:18 He doesn't say that, but that's sort of the implied messaging that I got from
1753. 01:34:22 reading this.
1754. 01:34:22 Did you feel the same way?
1755. 01:34:24 Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have been able to think about these next two
1756. 01:34:27 comments without having this conversation.
1757. 01:34:29 Like I wouldn't have, it wasn't a kind of my mind, but I think what you just
1758. 01:34:32 said is very true.
1759. 01:34:32 Like you've got to do the front end work in order for the back end work to make
1760. 01:34:37 sense, but he doesn't ever come out and say that specifically.
1761. 01:34:40 And then the other comment is about you saying that it's a system.
1762. 01:34:43 I actually think this book might have been more effective.
1763. 01:34:46 If he would have doubled down on the fact that I'm going to present to you a
1764. 01:34:50 system and here is my system, here's the way it is outlined.
1765. 01:34:54 Here's the global picture.
1766. 01:34:55 And then we're going to talk about each aspect of the system.
1767. 01:34:58 I actually think that would have been a better book and a more enjoyable book.
1768. 01:35:03 I mean, I can like or not like the system, but at least it's a unified
1769. 01:35:06 presented system, whereas here it felt a little bit disjointed.
1770. 01:35:09 So, but yeah, I agree with you that, that it, you do need to do the front end.
1771. 01:35:12 I think before you can get the benefits of the back end.
1772. 01:35:15 Okay.
1773. 01:35:15 So then you've helped me sort through my dilemma here and I'm going to rate it three stars.
1774. 01:35:21 I was torn between three and four stars because I do think there's a, yeah, if I
1775. 01:35:24 had to guess you were going to go three stars.
1776. 01:35:26 Yeah.
1777. 01:35:26 That's what I had to guess.
1778. 01:35:27 I, I do think that for the, for a very specific type of person, this is actually
1779. 01:35:35 probably a five star book and most people who do just want to be quote, unquote,
1780. 01:35:41 more productive as a probably a four star book.
1781. 01:35:44 My approach to productivity, I think, is different changed and evolved over the
1782. 01:35:48 years where it's not so much cranking the widgets and becoming the best at
1783. 01:35:54 something, but having the greatest impact and being able to follow through on the
1784. 01:35:59 intentions that I set most effectively.
1785. 01:36:02 So I may be not the right person for the battle tested guide to unshakeable
1786. 01:36:06 performance.
1787. 01:36:07 Maybe I'm at the point in my life where the performance kind of doesn't matter.
1788. 01:36:10 I'd like to think that it does.
1789. 01:36:12 Uh, just the arena is a little bit different.
1790. 01:36:14 So I have a little bit of trouble generalizing this one, but I think there's a
1791. 01:36:17 lot of, a lot of good stuff in here and I think he's a good writer.
1792. 01:36:20 Um, I do still stand by my comment about the stories.
1793. 01:36:23 Uh, I wish there were more stories like the bus driver one at the end sprinkled
1794. 01:36:27 throughout instead of all the famous people that he's, uh, he's worked with.
1795. 01:36:31 And, um, just because I feel like they're more approachable and I honestly
1796. 01:36:35 think they are a better example of the type of, of a growth mindset that he's
1797. 01:36:41 really talking about in, in this book.
1798. 01:36:44 So like you can learn from anybody, you know, that's the implicit takeaway
1799. 01:36:48 from that bus driver's story.
1800. 01:36:49 So I feel like having a few more of those would maybe make it a little bit
1801. 01:36:53 more approachable and honestly a little bit more entertaining, uh, more
1802. 01:36:57 applicable for just about anyone.
1803. 01:36:59 I'm not sure who I would recommend this book to either.
1804. 01:37:01 I was struggling with, you know, if I were to, to recommend something for
1805. 01:37:05 someone who really wants to just level up and become better at something, do I
1806. 01:37:09 recommend, recommend this or, or inner excellence?
1807. 01:37:12 And I think for the most part, I would recommend inner excellence over this
1808. 01:37:16 one to just about anyone.
1809. 01:37:18 Maybe you've got a specific person where you think like, Oh, absolutely
1810. 01:37:21 confident mind makes more sense, but I'm having trouble, uh, thinking of who
1811. 01:37:25 that would be.
1812. 01:37:26 Yeah, so I, I have people, um, that I'm a, I'm part of a workout group with
1813. 01:37:30 that I think would resonate more with the confident mind, um, thing, but I
1814. 01:37:35 think in general, your statement is correct that like inner excellence is a
1815. 01:37:38 more approachable, um, a book.
1816. 01:37:42 And I, and I think that one will get recommended more widely than, than this
1817. 01:37:45 one gotcha.
1818. 01:37:47 All right, Mike, um, let's go ahead and put the confident mind on the shelf.
1819. 01:37:51 What is the next book for bookworm?
1820. 01:37:55 The next book we're going to read is one that I came across and then
1821. 01:37:59 realize that someone had recommended this.
1822. 01:38:01 So thank you, Carol, for recommending the Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins.
1823. 01:38:06 Um, and we should also point out that, uh, there will be a link to the book
1824. 01:38:12 recommendation form in the show notes for the episode.
1825. 01:38:16 So if you have a book that you want us to cover, please fill out that form,
1826. 01:38:21 recommend it, uh, we check that list when we, we pick our books and, um, we
1827. 01:38:27 won't guarantee that we're going to do, you know, everything that's, that's
1828. 01:38:30 submitted there, but I think I speak for both of us and we, uh, we want to
1829. 01:38:33 prioritize the ones that people recommend over just the ones that appear
1830. 01:38:36 interesting to us.
1831. 01:38:37 Um, occasionally we'll just, we'll just grab one of those anyways because we
1832. 01:38:40 want to talk about the books we want to talk about, but, uh, I'm always looking
1833. 01:38:44 for new things to read.
1834. 01:38:45 So, um, please fill out that form after the Let Them Theory, what are we reading?
1835. 01:38:50 Okay, so the next one, it's going to be one that Mike brought up.
1836. 01:38:53 Um, I don't know when Mike, uh, probably around the times ago, probably the
1837. 01:38:57 time we were doing the Bob Dotto stuff, it was, it was back in there some time,
1838. 01:39:01 but, um, it's called the elements of eloquence, uh, secrets of the perfect
1839. 01:39:06 turn of phrase and it's by Mark Forsyth.
1840. 01:39:08 So it's a, it's a book on writing and it's a book on kind of the way you, uh, you
1841. 01:39:13 think about, you know, putting words together.
1842. 01:39:15 So it's going to be, it's going to be a fun one.
1843. 01:39:17 Awesome.
1844. 01:39:17 Uh, Mike, do you have any gap books between now and our next recording?
1845. 01:39:22 Not this time.
1846. 01:39:24 Maybe I will have one by the time we, uh, we record again because I will be, uh,
1847. 01:39:30 in Boise for crafting commerce and lots of airplanes.
1848. 01:39:33 So, um, well, we'll see, but, uh, as of now, no gap book.
1849. 01:39:40 Okay.
1850. 01:39:40 I am not going to put a gap book on here.
1851. 01:39:43 Um, I'm finishing a praying life, um, freely admit to you, Mike.
1852. 01:39:47 I didn't read it.
1853. 01:39:48 I listened to it for the sake of life, not.
1854. 01:39:51 I know, I know.
1855. 01:39:53 Don't shake your head at me with the disappointed dad look.
1856. 01:39:55 Um, but, uh, I'm almost through, uh, praying life or sorry, I'm praying church.
1857. 01:40:00 This one's called a praying church.
1858. 01:40:01 Uh, I'm almost to that one, but I'm not going to sign up for, um, a gap book right now.
1859. 01:40:07 All righty.
1860. 01:40:08 Okay.
1861. 01:40:08 So, um, that wraps up another one.
1862. 01:40:11 Um, you can go ahead and put the confident mind on the shelf.
1863. 01:40:14 Pick up the let them theory by Mel Robbins, that'll be our next read, uh, for bookworm.
1864. 01:40:19 Um, again, if you want to recommend a book, uh, look for, look at the show notes to, to
1865. 01:40:23 throw a book at us and we'll, uh, we'll take a look at it and see, um, how we think it
1866. 01:40:26 fits into the, into the show.
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1880. 01:41:22 Um, thank you all for, uh, another episode and, um, we look forward to, uh, let them theory by Mel Robbins.